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WA Map Reforms Committee
Marquette (of Pacific) Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:48 pm
Hello and welcome to the World Alliance Map Reforms Committee, established to further the reforms many of us in World Alliance have wanted for a long time.
Everyone will be granted access if they wish, and people are encouraged to sign the petition some of us already signed and sent to the region's secretary general.
If you wish to join the committee, please telegram me on NationStates.
The following is a list of signatories:
Everyone will be granted access if they wish, and people are encouraged to sign the petition some of us already signed and sent to the region's secretary general.
- Petition:
Dear, the Empire of Great Eurussia:
After long discussions with my fellow nations and members of the World Alliance, we have come to the conclusion that the map employed by the administration of the region is indeed adverse to our liking. We have agreed that the alleged “continents” of the world map are in truth merely large islands. We would like the appropriate administration of the region – Dromoda and Great Eurussia, the architects of our world map – to take into consideration our best wishes for reforms to be made.
First of all, we would like the continents to be larger and somewhat more spread out, but we wish to limit the scattering of continents that we currently face. This would create the realistic feel of the bodies of land actually separating over millennia, as they do in reality. We would also like for a set equator line to be made spanning the center of the map. This equator would help to pinpoint where deserts realistically are, and would also be instrumental in limiting the dozens of colossal deserts found scattered throughout the map.
Second of all, we would like the oceans to have more volume and to be larger and more realistic. This and the larger (but fewer) continents would make the map significantly more realistic in that it would create landlocked countries and more navigable sea trade routes. It would also force nations not to focus solely on maritime trade, but other forms of transporting goods to foreign nations.
One more point requires your attention. Certain nations are worried about their current terrain and climate changing drastically in a way unfavorable to them. We wish to give nations effected by the implementation of this enterprise the ability to relocate their nation and/or puppet states and overseas territories.
We hope you consider our grievances and choose to reform the regional map.
Signed: Marquette of Pacific, Shirouma, Chivalry, Arveyres, the Catham Islands, Europe and Asia, New-Zealand, New Tarajan, Antanares, and a Republican Ireland.
If you wish to join the committee, please telegram me on NationStates.
The following is a list of signatories:
- Committee Members:
- -Marquette of Pacific
-Shirouma
-a Republican Ireland
-New Tarajan
-Antanares
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Re: WA Map Reforms Committee
New-Zealand Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:06 pm
How about the Land grab?
Some nations are claiming far too much land.
Some nations are claiming far too much land.
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Marquette (of Pacific) Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:13 am
I am in agreement with you both. The committee's first order of business shall be to push the reforms stated in this letter through the appropriate channels of the region's administration. Our second order of business is to make reforms on expansion. We have had two expansion periods within two weeks, and the second one has seen massive claims lain by a plethora of nations. A fellow member of Parliament and I have already discussed drafting two bills to restrict expansion: 1) to limit the size of land a nation can expand, also putting a cap on how many overseas territories a nation can have (and relinquishing extra territories), and 2) to repeal all land claimed in the New Year Land Grab.
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Ireland Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:08 am
I agree but also some of these inactive nations need to taken off the map.
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Shirouma Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:33 am
That's not the real issue, the issue is really how the expansions are totally ridicilous, I mean this New Year expansion was really too much..
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Marquette (of Pacific) Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:48 am
Shirouma wrote:That's not the real issue, the issue is really how the expansions are totally ridicilous, I mean this New Year expansion was really too much..
Yes, that's the really pressing issue at the moment, but Ireland is right, eventually this committee needs to put together legislation to remove inactive nations from the map.
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Ireland Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:22 am
Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:Shirouma wrote:That's not the real issue, the issue is really how the expansions are totally ridicilous, I mean this New Year expansion was really too much..
Yes, that's the really pressing issue at the moment, but Ireland is right, eventually this committee needs to put together legislation to remove inactive nations from the map.
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Ireland Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:22 am
Yes that's what I meant.Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:Shirouma wrote:That's not the real issue, the issue is really how the expansions are totally ridicilous, I mean this New Year expansion was really too much..
Yes, that's the really pressing issue at the moment, but Ireland is right, eventually this committee needs to put together legislation to remove inactive nations from the map.
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Marquette (of Pacific) Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:26 am
A Republican Ireland wrote:Yes that's what I meant.Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:Shirouma wrote:That's not the real issue, the issue is really how the expansions are totally ridicilous, I mean this New Year expansion was really too much..
Yes, that's the really pressing issue at the moment, but Ireland is right, eventually this committee needs to put together legislation to remove inactive nations from the map.
Okay
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Great Eurussia Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:03 am
Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:Hello and welcome to the World Alliance Map Reforms Committee, established to further the reforms many of us in World Alliance have wanted for a long time.
Everyone will be granted access if they wish, and people are encouraged to sign the petition some of us already signed and sent to the region's secretary general.
- Petition:
Dear, the Empire of Great Eurussia:
After long discussions with my fellow nations and members of the World Alliance, we have come to the conclusion that the map employed by the administration of the region is indeed adverse to our liking. We have agreed that the alleged “continents” of the world map are in truth merely large islands. We would like the appropriate administration of the region – Dromoda and Great Eurussia, the architects of our world map – to take into consideration our best wishes for reforms to be made.
First of all, we would like the continents to be larger and somewhat more spread out, but we wish to limit the scattering of continents that we currently face. This would create the realistic feel of the bodies of land actually separating over millennia, as they do in reality. We would also like for a set equator line to be made spanning the center of the map. This equator would help to pinpoint where deserts realistically are, and would also be instrumental in limiting the dozens of colossal deserts found scattered throughout the map.
Second of all, we would like the oceans to have more volume and to be larger and more realistic. This and the larger (but fewer) continents would make the map significantly more realistic in that it would create landlocked countries and more navigable sea trade routes. It would also force nations not to focus solely on maritime trade, but other forms of transporting goods to foreign nations.
One more point requires your attention. Certain nations are worried about their current terrain and climate changing drastically in a way unfavorable to them. We wish to give nations effected by the implementation of this enterprise the ability to relocate their nation and/or puppet states and overseas territories.
We hope you consider our grievances and choose to reform the regional map.
Signed: Marquette of Pacific, Shirouma, Chivalry, Arveyres, the Catham Islands, Europe and Asia, New-Zealand, New Tarajan, and Antanares.
A list of members of the committee will be formulated once we have significant applications for membership. If you wish to join the committee, please telegram me on NationStates.
The following is a list of signatories:
- Signatories:
-Shirouma
-Chivalry
-Arveyres
-the Catham Islands
-Europe and Asia
-New-Zealand
-New Tarajan
-Antanares
-a Republican Ireland
I welcome this discussions and I will issue my position to the points raised, as the map administrator, and as well as my agreement to some matters.
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Re: WA Map Reforms Committee
Marquette (of Pacific) Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:06 am
Great Eurussia wrote:Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:Hello and welcome to the World Alliance Map Reforms Committee, established to further the reforms many of us in World Alliance have wanted for a long time.
Everyone will be granted access if they wish, and people are encouraged to sign the petition some of us already signed and sent to the region's secretary general.
- Petition:
Dear, the Empire of Great Eurussia:
After long discussions with my fellow nations and members of the World Alliance, we have come to the conclusion that the map employed by the administration of the region is indeed adverse to our liking. We have agreed that the alleged “continents” of the world map are in truth merely large islands. We would like the appropriate administration of the region – Dromoda and Great Eurussia, the architects of our world map – to take into consideration our best wishes for reforms to be made.
First of all, we would like the continents to be larger and somewhat more spread out, but we wish to limit the scattering of continents that we currently face. This would create the realistic feel of the bodies of land actually separating over millennia, as they do in reality. We would also like for a set equator line to be made spanning the center of the map. This equator would help to pinpoint where deserts realistically are, and would also be instrumental in limiting the dozens of colossal deserts found scattered throughout the map.
Second of all, we would like the oceans to have more volume and to be larger and more realistic. This and the larger (but fewer) continents would make the map significantly more realistic in that it would create landlocked countries and more navigable sea trade routes. It would also force nations not to focus solely on maritime trade, but other forms of transporting goods to foreign nations.
One more point requires your attention. Certain nations are worried about their current terrain and climate changing drastically in a way unfavorable to them. We wish to give nations effected by the implementation of this enterprise the ability to relocate their nation and/or puppet states and overseas territories.
We hope you consider our grievances and choose to reform the regional map.
Signed: Marquette of Pacific, Shirouma, Chivalry, Arveyres, the Catham Islands, Europe and Asia, New-Zealand, New Tarajan, and Antanares.
A list of members of the committee will be formulated once we have significant applications for membership. If you wish to join the committee, please telegram me on NationStates.
The following is a list of signatories:
- Signatories:
-Shirouma
-Chivalry
-Arveyres
-the Catham Islands
-Europe and Asia
-New-Zealand
-New Tarajan
-Antanares
-a Republican Ireland
I welcome this discussions and I will issue my position to the points raised, as the map administrator, and as well as my agreement to some matters.
Yes, and I have kept the original signatories posted on our conversation, so they know that you are in agreement with us on some issues and opposed on others.
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Ireland Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:09 am
Well it is good that this is taking off.
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New-Zealand Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:48 pm
I just want to point out that I WILL NOT be supporting any motions in favor of repealing all the land grab expansions.
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Marquette (of Pacific) Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:08 pm
We now have set and official members of the committee. Please ask to be added to the list of members and your thoughts will be welcome.
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New Tarajan Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:55 pm
Antanares will support this committee.
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New-Zealand Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:06 pm
New Tarajan wrote:Antanares will support this committee.
Again mate, you've forgotten to log out of your brother's account. You've done the same thing for your news post.
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Great Eurussia Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:54 pm
Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:Great Eurussia wrote:Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:Hello and welcome to the World Alliance Map Reforms Committee, established to further the reforms many of us in World Alliance have wanted for a long time.
Everyone will be granted access if they wish, and people are encouraged to sign the petition some of us already signed and sent to the region's secretary general.
- Petition:
Dear, the Empire of Great Eurussia:
After long discussions with my fellow nations and members of the World Alliance, we have come to the conclusion that the map employed by the administration of the region is indeed adverse to our liking. We have agreed that the alleged “continents” of the world map are in truth merely large islands. We would like the appropriate administration of the region – Dromoda and Great Eurussia, the architects of our world map – to take into consideration our best wishes for reforms to be made.
First of all, we would like the continents to be larger and somewhat more spread out, but we wish to limit the scattering of continents that we currently face. This would create the realistic feel of the bodies of land actually separating over millennia, as they do in reality. We would also like for a set equator line to be made spanning the center of the map. This equator would help to pinpoint where deserts realistically are, and would also be instrumental in limiting the dozens of colossal deserts found scattered throughout the map.
Second of all, we would like the oceans to have more volume and to be larger and more realistic. This and the larger (but fewer) continents would make the map significantly more realistic in that it would create landlocked countries and more navigable sea trade routes. It would also force nations not to focus solely on maritime trade, but other forms of transporting goods to foreign nations.
One more point requires your attention. Certain nations are worried about their current terrain and climate changing drastically in a way unfavorable to them. We wish to give nations effected by the implementation of this enterprise the ability to relocate their nation and/or puppet states and overseas territories.
We hope you consider our grievances and choose to reform the regional map.
Signed: Marquette of Pacific, Shirouma, Chivalry, Arveyres, the Catham Islands, Europe and Asia, New-Zealand, New Tarajan, and Antanares.
A list of members of the committee will be formulated once we have significant applications for membership. If you wish to join the committee, please telegram me on NationStates.
The following is a list of signatories:
- Signatories:
-Shirouma
-Chivalry
-Arveyres
-the Catham Islands
-Europe and Asia
-New-Zealand
-New Tarajan
-Antanares
-a Republican Ireland
I welcome this discussions and I will issue my position to the points raised, as the map administrator, and as well as my agreement to some matters.
Yes, and I have kept the original signatories posted on our conversation, so they know that you are in agreement with us on some issues and opposed on others.
No problem. I'm not bothered how many signatories there are, I want to see the good reasoning and merits for every single point of concerns you are raising. Nevertheless, here are my stance, as the map administrator.
1) LARGER SPREAD OUT CONTINENTS. I don't see anything wrong with the current map with regards to this matter as there are huge seas and oceans already and they are perfectly fine.
2) EQUATOR. This is great, I could simply draw an equator line on the next map update, but if you have a preferred look of the equator on the map, kindly show it.
3) MORE VOLUME SEAS. Again, I don't see any problem here as there are more nations here in Nation States than the seas. Am I correct? And that is the purpose of the map. And if the concern is forcing nations to focus on the areas other than maritime trade, well, we should help each other improve our RP.
4) CHANGE IN TERRAIN. Well, it has been a practice ever since that if you wish to change your terrain as you prefer your own geography and topography rather than the default, you can always go to the map claims thread and submit it there. I cannot count how many nation did this already so I guess there is no issue with this.
5) RELOCATION OF NATION/PUPPETS. Definitely not and it should never be to preserve our RP history. If it is only a reason of climate change or terrain, well all nations have the freedom to request to change their terrains.
6) ISSUE WITH EXPANSION. Well, we should not look on the expansion itself, but the reasons why there are expansions. It is used as a way to celebrate our achievements as a region, and a gift to ourselves is expanding our lands via OOC than wars through RP. It just so happened that after a recent expected expansion, we celebrated a once in a year event, and that is a New Year, and I think it is not too much to allow a land grab once in a while besides it has never happened before to celebrate a year of our success.
7) LIMIT THE SIZE OF A NATION CAN EXPAND. Why?
8) PUTTING CAP ON OVERSEAS TERRITORIES. Why?
9) RELINQUISHING TERRITORIES. Why? But I'm telling you, this is a big NO. As many nations have patiently waited to have the chance to expand their lands during expansion periods.
10) REPEAL ALL CLAIMS ON NEW YEAR LAND GRAB. Why? and a big NO.
I've just gotten confused :-/
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Federation of Antanares Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:14 am
OOC: Just for say, the previous post was of Antanares and not of New Tarajan, sorry for the mistake ^^
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Texania Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:25 am
One thing y'all are forgetting is the the map doesn't correctly portray the world alliance world.The map shows that all territory is the same size,But towards the north and south it's smaller.So I propose that in the southernmost and northernmost 10% of the map claims can be 20% larger.
And the northernost and sorthernmost 25% claims can be 10% larger.
And the northernost and sorthernmost 25% claims can be 10% larger.
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Re: WA Map Reforms Committee
Marquette (of Pacific) Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:40 am
Great Eurussia wrote:Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:Great Eurussia wrote:Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:Hello and welcome to the World Alliance Map Reforms Committee, established to further the reforms many of us in World Alliance have wanted for a long time.
Everyone will be granted access if they wish, and people are encouraged to sign the petition some of us already signed and sent to the region's secretary general.
- Petition:
Dear, the Empire of Great Eurussia:
After long discussions with my fellow nations and members of the World Alliance, we have come to the conclusion that the map employed by the administration of the region is indeed adverse to our liking. We have agreed that the alleged “continents” of the world map are in truth merely large islands. We would like the appropriate administration of the region – Dromoda and Great Eurussia, the architects of our world map – to take into consideration our best wishes for reforms to be made.
First of all, we would like the continents to be larger and somewhat more spread out, but we wish to limit the scattering of continents that we currently face. This would create the realistic feel of the bodies of land actually separating over millennia, as they do in reality. We would also like for a set equator line to be made spanning the center of the map. This equator would help to pinpoint where deserts realistically are, and would also be instrumental in limiting the dozens of colossal deserts found scattered throughout the map.
Second of all, we would like the oceans to have more volume and to be larger and more realistic. This and the larger (but fewer) continents would make the map significantly more realistic in that it would create landlocked countries and more navigable sea trade routes. It would also force nations not to focus solely on maritime trade, but other forms of transporting goods to foreign nations.
One more point requires your attention. Certain nations are worried about their current terrain and climate changing drastically in a way unfavorable to them. We wish to give nations effected by the implementation of this enterprise the ability to relocate their nation and/or puppet states and overseas territories.
We hope you consider our grievances and choose to reform the regional map.
Signed: Marquette of Pacific, Shirouma, Chivalry, Arveyres, the Catham Islands, Europe and Asia, New-Zealand, New Tarajan, and Antanares.
A list of members of the committee will be formulated once we have significant applications for membership. If you wish to join the committee, please telegram me on NationStates.
The following is a list of signatories:
- Signatories:
-Shirouma
-Chivalry
-Arveyres
-the Catham Islands
-Europe and Asia
-New-Zealand
-New Tarajan
-Antanares
-a Republican Ireland
I welcome this discussions and I will issue my position to the points raised, as the map administrator, and as well as my agreement to some matters.
Yes, and I have kept the original signatories posted on our conversation, so they know that you are in agreement with us on some issues and opposed on others.No problem. I'm not bothered how many signatories there are, I want to see the good reasoning and merits for every single point of concerns you are raising. Nevertheless, here are my stance, as the map administrator.1) LARGER SPREAD OUT CONTINENTS. I don't see anything wrong with the current map with regards to this matter as there are huge seas and oceans already and they are perfectly fine.2) EQUATOR. This is great, I could simply draw an equator line on the next map update, but if you have a preferred look of the equator on the map, kindly show it.3) MORE VOLUME SEAS. Again, I don't see any problem here as there are more nations here in Nation States than the seas. Am I correct? And that is the purpose of the map. And if the concern is forcing nations to focus on the areas other than maritime trade, well, we should help each other improve our RP.4) CHANGE IN TERRAIN. Well, it has been a practice ever since that if you wish to change your terrain as you prefer your own geography and topography rather than the default, you can always go to the map claims thread and submit it there. I cannot count how many nation did this already so I guess there is no issue with this.5) RELOCATION OF NATION/PUPPETS. Definitely not and it should never be to preserve our RP history. If it is only a reason of climate change or terrain, well all nations have the freedom to request to change their terrains.6) ISSUE WITH EXPANSION. Well, we should not look on the expansion itself, but the reasons why there are expansions. It is used as a way to celebrate our achievements as a region, and a gift to ourselves is expanding our lands via OOC than wars through RP. It just so happened that after a recent expected expansion, we celebrated a once in a year event, and that is a New Year, and I think it is not too much to allow a land grab once in a while besides it has never happened before to celebrate a year of our success.7) LIMIT THE SIZE OF A NATION CAN EXPAND. Why?8) PUTTING CAP ON OVERSEAS TERRITORIES. Why?9) RELINQUISHING TERRITORIES. Why? But I'm telling you, this is a big NO. As many nations have patiently waited to have the chance to expand their lands during expansion periods.10) REPEAL ALL CLAIMS ON NEW YEAR LAND GRAB. Why? and a big NO.I've just gotten confused :-/
Eurussia, stop confusing yourself. Not all of what you listed is pertinent to the issue at hand, and are just some of our plans for the future.
First of all, the geography changing and the nation/puppet replacement is synonymous with the equator. You see, we would like most of the deserts to be located in and around the equator, and to remove many of the deserts that currently exist, as there simply aren't that many deserts realistically.
Also, we would like to give nations the option to relocate their territory if, for example, they don't like being right on the equator.
The thing with resizing the continents is that, right now, they are pretty much windy archipelagos and not based off of continental plates, like in the real world. Pretty much every continent is just a huge mess of thin islands and there really aren't many open seas, like the Atlantic, Indian, and Pacific Oceans.
#6-10 that you listed are not part of the petition and are merely future plans for legislation in the Parliament.
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Marquette (of Pacific) Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:41 am
Texania wrote:One thing y'all are forgetting is the the map doesn't correctly portray the world alliance world.The map shows that all territory is the same size,But towards the north and south it's smaller.So I propose that in the southernmost and northernmost 10% of the map claims can be 20% larger.
And the northernost and sorthernmost 25% claims can be 10% larger.
Again, that's not part of the petition. If you want that to happen, make a bill about that and propose it to the Parliament, or try to find a member of Parliament who is willing to propose it.
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Great Eurussia Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:19 am
Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:
Eurussia, stop confusing yourself. Not all of what you listed is pertinent to the issue at hand, and are just some of our plans for the future.
First of all, the geography changing and the nation/puppet replacement is synonymous with the equator. You see, we would like most of the deserts to be located in and around the equator, and to remove many of the deserts that currently exist, as there simply aren't that many deserts realistically.
Also, we would like to give nations the option to relocate their territory if, for example, they don't like being right on the equator.
The thing with resizing the continents is that, right now, they are pretty much windy archipelagos and not based off of continental plates, like in the real world. Pretty much every continent is just a huge mess of thin islands and there really aren't many open seas, like the Atlantic, Indian, and Pacific Oceans.
#6-10 that you listed are not part of the petition and are merely future plans for legislation in the Parliament.
I demand an answer for every points I raised from your own arguments. Do not mislead us. Don't say that this is part of the future or not as you have been raising these issues without proper arguments. Just go straight to the point of every concern I am raising.
Thank you.
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New-Zealand Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:18 pm
I do not approve of any changes my nation's terrain. I do not care for this equator if it's going to result in my nation becoming a desert. If this is the course of action of this committee, I am hereby standing AGAINST this proposal.
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