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Post  New Tarajan Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:58 am

Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:Done.

About your answer: to ensure the neutrality of the Prosecutor, and not to overload excessively the job of the judges. Moreover, I personally asked to the Court about this point, and their opinion was that it would have been better to have a third person with such a charge.

If that is the case, isn't it the Court is already neutral by itself? Furthermore, forgive us if we might have missed any point. Is the Prosecutor General can only act upon the orders of the Court? If so, is it stipulated in the bill?

Yes. It is clearly written that the Court receive or issue a request for investigation and only then, the Prosecutor will began his investigations.
And yes, the Court is neutral, but investigation but this way the neutrality will be only reinforced. Moreover, do not forget the second point, about the overload of the work of the judges. Also, considering this was a request of the CoJ, I believe they had their good reasons for suggesting this.
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Post  Great Eurussia Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:18 am

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Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:Done.

About your answer: to ensure the neutrality of the Prosecutor, and not to overload excessively the job of the judges. Moreover, I personally asked to the Court about this point, and their opinion was that it would have been better to have a third person with such a charge.

If that is the case, isn't it the Court is already neutral by itself? Furthermore, forgive us if we might have missed any point. Is the Prosecutor General can only act upon the orders of the Court? If so, is it stipulated in the bill?

Yes. It is clearly written that the Court receive or issue a request for investigation and only then, the Prosecutor will began his investigations.
And yes, the Court is neutral, but investigation but this way the neutrality will be only reinforced. Moreover, do not forget the second point, about the overload of the work of the judges. Also, considering this was a request of the CoJ, I believe they had their good reasons for suggesting this.

Eurussia is almost inclined to support the bill.



Art. 4

The position of Prosecutor General is for life. In case of severe violations of the law, the Court of Justice can order to the Prosecutor General to leave its seat. 
The Council and the Parliament can submit to the Court the request for removal of the Prosecutor General from its Office with a two-thirds majority vote, specifying the reasons for such a move and only in case of violations of the law, which may be determined by the judgement of the Court.

Art. 6

In case the results of the preliminary investigation call for the intervention of the CoJ, the Prosecutor General shall immediately send all the evidences collected to the CoJ itself. It will also take the role of prosecutor during the subsequent trial.

Art. 7

The Prosecutor General has the right to suspend every suspected activity during the phase of preliminary investigation. The suspended activity can be immediately resumed after one week, if the results of the investigation do not provide any evidence against it.
In case of violation of the order of suspension, the Prosecutor General can directly ask for an intervention of the WADSJ.

However, we would like to further suggest changes though we would'nt wish to object on the highlighted provisions.

1) Yellow - the Prosecutor General may be removed anytime by the Court of Justice
2) Green - the Council is from the Parliament, hence it would be better a request could come from the majority of both separate bodies. The Parliament can ask, the Council as well too.
3) Orange - The PG shall not participate in state-to-state cases since it will be grossly unfair for the defendant. It is the duty of the complainant to find evidences. However, if there is no complainant but there are possible breaches of existing laws, this is the only time the PG can actively prosecute the defendant in a formal trial. Only in this scenario. Since the PG is theoretically a WA Government arm.
4) Pink - The PG can only request for suspension from the Court which shall give the permission.
5) Blue - The PG can only request for intervention from thr Court which shall give the authorization.

We seek these final changes for Eurussia to be satisfied and support the bill.
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Post  Europe and Asia Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:35 am

I support the Eurussian amendment. Specifically the last two. Tis way, states won't see it as a violation of sovereignty.
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Post  New Tarajan Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:43 am

About the first objection, it's yet as you ask: the CoJ can remove the Prosecutor when it wants.

Also for the Green, obviously the Council and the Parliament can ask, both of them, without prejudice.

About the last two points, I'll change the draft accordingly.
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Post  Great Eurussia Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:37 am

New Tarajan wrote:About the first objection, it's yet as you ask: the CoJ can remove the Prosecutor when it wants.

Also for the Green, obviously the Council and the Parliament can ask, both of them, without prejudice.

About the last two points, I'll change the draft accordingly.

Thank you. We will look into the changes and if we are satisfied, there will be no more reason for Eurussia to challenge or block the bill. 
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Post  Europe and Asia Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:39 am

Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:About the first objection, it's yet as you ask: the CoJ can remove the Prosecutor when it wants.

Also for the Green, obviously the Council and the Parliament can ask, both of them, without prejudice.

About the last two points, I'll change the draft accordingly.

Thank you. We will look into the changes and if we are satisfied, there will be no more reason for Eurussia to challenge or block the bill. 

You aren't, nor do you have the capacity, to block the bill, but we thank you for being reasonable regardless.
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Post  New Tarajan Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:07 pm

Indeed.
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Post  Great Eurussia Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:43 pm

New Tarajan wrote:Indeed.

Are the amendments done?
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Post  New Tarajan Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:19 pm

Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:Indeed.

Are the amendments done?

They've been already done.
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Post  Great Eurussia Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:05 am

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Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:Indeed.

Are the amendments done?

They've been already done.

Thank you very much. Eurussia appreciates the efforts of New Tarajan to make the bill in line with the Constitution. However, changes to Article 6 have not been addressed properly, as stipulated there, 
" the PG can take the role of prosecutor in trial "
Seeing it is so vague, we wish to revise in clear terms that the PG cannot take a role on state-to-state trial but only on serious violations of international regulatory laws.
This is our last and final concern with the bill.
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Post  Europe and Asia Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:10 am

Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:Indeed.

Are the amendments done?

They've been already done.

Thank you very much. Eurussia appreciates the efforts of New Tarajan to make the bill in line with the Constitution. However, changes to Article 6 have not been addressed properly, as stipulated there, 
" the PG can take the role of prosecutor in trial "
Seeing it is so vague, we wish to revise in clear terms that the PG cannot take a role on state-to-state trial but only on serious violations of international regulatory laws.
This is our last and final concern with the bill.

Isn't that already specified?
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Post  Great Eurussia Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:22 am

Europe and Asia wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:Indeed.

Are the amendments done?

They've been already done.

Thank you very much. Eurussia appreciates the efforts of New Tarajan to make the bill in line with the Constitution. However, changes to Article 6 have not been addressed properly, as stipulated there, 
" the PG can take the role of prosecutor in trial "
Seeing it is so vague, we wish to revise in clear terms that the PG cannot take a role on state-to-state trial but only on serious violations of international regulatory laws.
This is our last and final concern with the bill.

Isn't that already specified?

It isn't and is too vague that can be misinterpreted.
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Post  Europe and Asia Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:54 am

I drafted a quick amendment. What do you think?

Act 8.

The Prosecutor-General shall act as the de jure prosecutor during cases involving, insofar as limited to, State v. WA Government, Regional Organization v. Government, Law (Parliamentary or Council) v. Government. The Prosector-General shall not participate in cases that involve one state versus another, or where one state charges another. If one state charges another organization, the Prosecutor-General shall act as the de jure prosecutor unless the individual state requests direct participation or pro tempore prosecutorial status, which is defined as attaining the ability to prosecute for the duration of one case and relating to the aforementioned case only, for the duration of the case(s.)
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Post  Great Eurussia Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:15 pm

Europe and Asia wrote:I drafted a quick amendment. What do you think?

Act 8.

The Prosecutor-General shall act as the de jure prosecutor during cases involving, insofar as limited to, State v. WA Government, Regional Organization v. Government, Law (Parliamentary or Council) v. Government. The Prosector-General shall not participate in cases that involve one state versus another, or where one state charges another. 

Just perfect. This is enough, and if added to the bill, we have no opposition anymore. We would just like to take note that under the Judicial Protocol Act, the President of the WA Government, particularly the Council President, is compelled to stand in Court for the WA Government and/or its laws.

On Article 4, correct me if I'm wrong. Haven't we agreed that the Court shall have the freedom to dismiss the PG? Regardless of whether there are violations of law or not?
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Post  Europe and Asia Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:54 pm

Great Eurussia wrote:
Europe and Asia wrote:I drafted a quick amendment. What do you think?

Act 8.

The Prosecutor-General shall act as the de jure prosecutor during cases involving, insofar as limited to, State v. WA Government, Regional Organization v. Government, Law (Parliamentary or Council) v. Government. The Prosector-General shall not participate in cases that involve one state versus another, or where one state charges another. 

Just perfect. This is enough, and if added to the bill, we have no opposition anymore. We would just like to take note that under the Judicial Protocol Act, the President of the WA Government, particularly the Council President, is compelled to stand in Court for the WA Government and/or its laws.

On Article 4, correct me if I'm wrong. Haven't we agreed that the Court shall have the freedom to dismiss the PG? Regardless of whether there are violations of law or not?

I believe so.
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Post  Great Eurussia Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:37 pm

Europe and Asia wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
Europe and Asia wrote:I drafted a quick amendment. What do you think?

Act 8.

The Prosecutor-General shall act as the de jure prosecutor during cases involving, insofar as limited to, State v. WA Government, Regional Organization v. Government, Law (Parliamentary or Council) v. Government. The Prosector-General shall not participate in cases that involve one state versus another, or where one state charges another. 

Just perfect. This is enough, and if added to the bill, we have no opposition anymore. We would just like to take note that under the Judicial Protocol Act, the President of the WA Government, particularly the Council President, is compelled to stand in Court for the WA Government and/or its laws.

On Article 4, correct me if I'm wrong. Haven't we agreed that the Court shall have the freedom to dismiss the PG? Regardless of whether there are violations of law or not?

I believe so.

Yeah. But it was not amended as agreed.
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Post  New Tarajan Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:48 pm

The Art. 4 has been amended.

Also, your amendment is good, Eurasia...but are you sure is for Art. 8?
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Post  Great Eurussia Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:16 pm

New Tarajan wrote:The Art. 4 has been amended.

Also, your amendment is good, Eurasia...but are you sure is for Art. 8?

Thank you. I think Eurasia means Article 6 where this phrase,

"It will also take the role of prosecutor during the subsequent trial."


Will be replaced by,


"The Prosecutor-General shall act as the de jureprosecutor during cases involving, insofar as limited to, State v. WA Government, Regional Organization v. Government, Law (Parliamentary or Council) v. Government. The Prosector-General shall not participate in cases that involve one state versus another, or where one state charges another."



After this final amendment, Eurussia will respectfully submit itself to the support of the bill's passage.
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Post  New Tarajan Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:05 pm

Indeed, I was thinking the same.
The Article 6 has been amended accordingly.
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Post  Great Eurussia Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:22 pm

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JUDICIARY INVESTIGATION ACT


Authored by the Federal Aristocratic Kingdom of New Tarajan, in representation of the Empire of Tarajan, the Arveyran Dominions and the Outer Territories, Member of the World Alliance Royalist Party, President of the Council


Section I.

Art. 1

The World Alliance, recognizing the necessity, for the Court of Justice (CoJ), to proceed with independent investigation, as an indispensable requirements for the fulfillment of its mandate as established by the Constitution, hereby creates the Office of the Prosecutor General of the CoJ.

Art. 2

The mandate of the Prosecutor General is defined by this law, alongside his duties and responsibilities.

Art. 3

The Prosecutor General shall be choosen by the Members of the Court of Justice immediately after the approval of this law.
It is eligible for the seat every country actively engaged in the WA activities. The choice shall be communicated to the President of the Council and the Speaker of the Parliament in two (2) days. If the choosen country accepts the appointment, it will immediately take its Office.
The seat of Prosecutor General is not compatible with any other seat inside the Court of Justice itself, the Parliament or the Council. In case the appointed country already holds a position inside these three bodies, it shall immediately resign.

Art. 4

The position of Prosecutor General is for life. The Court of Justice can order to the Prosecutor General to leave its seat.
The Council and the Parliament can submit to the Court the request for removal of the Prosecutor General from its Office with a two-thirds majority vote, specifying the reasons for such a move and only in case of violations of the law, which may be determined by the judgement of the Court.

Section II.

Art. 5

The main duty of the Prosecutor General is to investigate, collect evidences and assist the members of the CoJ in the fulfillment of their mandate through consultation and analysis.
It has the right to begin preliminary investigations on every country, organization, institution and political entity, if there is the suspect of violations of the law, under request of the CoJ. Every WA Institution, Organization and Country has the right to submit to the Court of Justice a formal request for investigation.
It is the duty of the CoJ to send an official notice to all the parties involved, specifying the reasons which lead to the investigation.
The Prosecutor General will then send a memorandum to all the parties involved and to the CoJ, with the results of the preliminary investigation. The memorandum shall be issued in one week after the official beginning of the investigation.

Art. 6

In case the results of the preliminary investigation call for the intervention of the CoJ, the Prosecutor General shall immediately send all the evidences collected to the CoJ itself.
The Prosecutor-General shall act as the de jureprosecutor during cases involving, insofar as limited to, State v. WA Government, Regional Organization v. Government, Law (Parliamentary or Council) v. Government. The Prosector-General shall not participate in cases that involve one state versus another, or where one state charges another.

Art. 7

The Prosecutor General can request to the Court the suspension of every suspected activity during the phase of preliminary investigation. The suspended activity can be immediately resumed after one week, if the results of the investigation do not provide any evidence against it.
In case of violation of the order of suspension, the Prosecutor General can request to the Court the intervention of the WADSJ.

Section III.

Art. 8

In the fulfillment of its mandate, the Prosecutor General shall have the full collaboration of every country, institution, organization and political entity of the World Alliance. However, any country, institution, organization or political entity can refuse the jurisdiction of the Prosecutor General and the Court, thus freeing itself from this obligation.

Art. 9

In case the Prosecutor General is a party involved in a trial, it is the duty of the CoJ to appoint a new Prosecutor General with a temporarily-limited mandate.

Citing that all our concerns have been addressed, Eurussia hereby issues its support for the bill.
We are in favor.
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Post  New Tarajan Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:32 pm

And, indeed, I wish to announce that the debate period is ended.
Vote period will last fpr two days after the first vote will be casted.

Please, every Member shall cast his vote.
Thank you.
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Post  Great Eurussia Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:52 am

Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
JUDICIARY INVESTIGATION ACT


Authored by the Federal Aristocratic Kingdom of New Tarajan, in representation of the Empire of Tarajan, the Arveyran Dominions and the Outer Territories, Member of the World Alliance Royalist Party, President of the Council


Section I.

Art. 1

The World Alliance, recognizing the necessity, for the Court of Justice (CoJ), to proceed with independent investigation, as an indispensable requirements for the fulfillment of its mandate as established by the Constitution, hereby creates the Office of the Prosecutor General of the CoJ.

Art. 2

The mandate of the Prosecutor General is defined by this law, alongside his duties and responsibilities.

Art. 3

The Prosecutor General shall be choosen by the Members of the Court of Justice immediately after the approval of this law.
It is eligible for the seat every country actively engaged in the WA activities. The choice shall be communicated to the President of the Council and the Speaker of the Parliament in two (2) days. If the choosen country accepts the appointment, it will immediately take its Office.
The seat of Prosecutor General is not compatible with any other seat inside the Court of Justice itself, the Parliament or the Council. In case the appointed country already holds a position inside these three bodies, it shall immediately resign.

Art. 4

The position of Prosecutor General is for life. The Court of Justice can order to the Prosecutor General to leave its seat.
The Council and the Parliament can submit to the Court the request for removal of the Prosecutor General from its Office with a two-thirds majority vote, specifying the reasons for such a move and only in case of violations of the law, which may be determined by the judgement of the Court.

Section II.

Art. 5

The main duty of the Prosecutor General is to investigate, collect evidences and assist the members of the CoJ in the fulfillment of their mandate through consultation and analysis.
It has the right to begin preliminary investigations on every country, organization, institution and political entity, if there is the suspect of violations of the law, under request of the CoJ. Every WA Institution, Organization and Country has the right to submit to the Court of Justice a formal request for investigation.
It is the duty of the CoJ to send an official notice to all the parties involved, specifying the reasons which lead to the investigation.
The Prosecutor General will then send a memorandum to all the parties involved and to the CoJ, with the results of the preliminary investigation. The memorandum shall be issued in one week after the official beginning of the investigation.

Art. 6

In case the results of the preliminary investigation call for the intervention of the CoJ, the Prosecutor General shall immediately send all the evidences collected to the CoJ itself.
The Prosecutor-General shall act as the de jureprosecutor during cases involving, insofar as limited to, State v. WA Government, Regional Organization v. Government, Law (Parliamentary or Council) v. Government. The Prosector-General shall not participate in cases that involve one state versus another, or where one state charges another.

Art. 7

The Prosecutor General can request to the Court the suspension of every suspected activity during the phase of preliminary investigation. The suspended activity can be immediately resumed after one week, if the results of the investigation do not provide any evidence against it.
In case of violation of the order of suspension, the Prosecutor General can request to the Court the intervention of the WADSJ.

Section III.

Art. 8

In the fulfillment of its mandate, the Prosecutor General shall have the full collaboration of every country, institution, organization and political entity of the World Alliance. However, any country, institution, organization or political entity can refuse the jurisdiction of the Prosecutor General and the Court, thus freeing itself from this obligation.

Art. 9

In case the Prosecutor General is a party involved in a trial, it is the duty of the CoJ to appoint a new Prosecutor General with a temporarily-limited mandate.

Citing that all our concerns have been addressed, Eurussia hereby issues its support for the bill.
We are in favor.

Eurussia votes in favor.
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Post  Aloia Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:20 am

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Post  New Tarajan Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:02 pm

New Tarajan votes IN FAVOUR.
The vote period will be closed at the end of the day.
Thank you.

With 5 votes in favour, and two abstained, I hereby declared the Judicial Investigation Act APPROVED by the Council.
The bill will be submitted to the Parliament as soon as possible.
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