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I for one think we aught to let Farshonia sort this problem out on their own (i.e. by having a massive civil war and killing each other till a dominant sect is the only one remaining). However, considering the close proximity of Farshonia to my nation, if the WAAF was to launch an intervention, the Social Democracy will be joining in the WAAF mission.
However, we would like to emphasise that we beleive any WAAF intervention will merely prolong the Farshonian situation, and continue to simply pacify a unsolvable situation. Civil war will continue to recur until we finally make the decision to step back and allow them to sort their problems out themselves.
However, we would like to emphasise that we beleive any WAAF intervention will merely prolong the Farshonian situation, and continue to simply pacify a unsolvable situation. Civil war will continue to recur until we finally make the decision to step back and allow them to sort their problems out themselves.
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New Tarajan is AGAINST the intervention.
The reasons for our decision are quiet similar to the NZ ones: an intervention of the WAAF right now, with such an unstable and all-but-clear political situation in the field could only "freeze" the conflict until the end of the war. The only solution is to mediate between Farshonian and the secessionist States, as already proposed by us, without a direct interference, at least until all (or the majority of) the actors directly involved would not ask clearly for it.
Also, we wish to ask to the Secretary General some clarification about what already our Atletian colleague said, namely that Farshonia has been already pulled out by the WAAF. In such a case, the Organization could not intervene legally in the situation.
But our most critical point is: we cannot intervene before a diplomatic mediation.
Thank you.
The reasons for our decision are quiet similar to the NZ ones: an intervention of the WAAF right now, with such an unstable and all-but-clear political situation in the field could only "freeze" the conflict until the end of the war. The only solution is to mediate between Farshonian and the secessionist States, as already proposed by us, without a direct interference, at least until all (or the majority of) the actors directly involved would not ask clearly for it.
Also, we wish to ask to the Secretary General some clarification about what already our Atletian colleague said, namely that Farshonia has been already pulled out by the WAAF. In such a case, the Organization could not intervene legally in the situation.
But our most critical point is: we cannot intervene before a diplomatic mediation.
Thank you.
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Atletius agrees with both New-Zealand and New Tarajan. Sending in WAAF troops would not help the situation whatsoever. It would result in more bloodshed and more instability.
The only legitimate way of preventing bloodshed is conducting the Tarajani proposed diplomatic peace summit.
Atletius is firmly AGAINST WAAF intervention.
The only legitimate way of preventing bloodshed is conducting the Tarajani proposed diplomatic peace summit.
Atletius is firmly AGAINST WAAF intervention.
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New-Zealand wrote:However, considering the close proximity of Farshonia to my nation, if the WAAF was to launch an intervention, the Social Democracy will be joining in the WAAF mission.
True. Farshonia is very near Eurussia as well. And our trade routes through Farshonia Sea and Patrician Canal are already feeling the effects of the instability of Farshonia. Furthermore, the Eurussian Government believes that after several states broke away by force from the mother state and the latter refuses recognition in addition to the warring drug cartels and unresolved previous instabilities, talks are already futile.
FORCE (with probably acceptable talks at the same time) is the most appropriate assistance the international community could aid to Farshonia. Most nations have neglected their problems before and now they are crumbling from within, it is our duty as the stable ones to provide help and extend a helping hand to Farshonia.
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A helping hand would not be marching in with foreign troops to force the people of the secessionist states to submit. That'd be the opposite, a full blown military intervention will not help Farshonia nor secessionists.
The attitude that peace talks are futile is pessimistic and frankly disgusting. You are clearly prepared to cause many more deaths just because of your disbelief in the integrity of all parties involved. peace talks can, and should go ahead.
Providing humanitarian aid through WAHO is a must however.
The attitude that peace talks are futile is pessimistic and frankly disgusting. You are clearly prepared to cause many more deaths just because of your disbelief in the integrity of all parties involved. peace talks can, and should go ahead.
Providing humanitarian aid through WAHO is a must however.
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Atletius wrote:
Providing humanitarian aid through WAHO is a must however.
This is the point of the WAAF Intervention. How can we send humanitarian aid without the WAAF providing for a neutral security? Nevertheless, Eurussia maintains its position for a WAAF-WAHO Intervention.
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The situation is complex, but we will try to explain our positions.
The secessionist states are not able to maintain its own territory stable and secure, do not have the security forces adequately equipped and prepared.
This is a fact, and it can not be deny.
Furthermore, the situation of strong economic downturn and serious conflicts and social issues make the situation even more unstable.
There is therefore a high risk of war between the new secessionist states, and it is clear that the only ones who are trando advantages of this situation are criminal organizations and terrorist groups (think the drug cartels, still active in Farshonia).
These groups may also exert influence over the weak governments of the countries secessionists, all to the detriment of the international community.
Consequently, there are all the prerequisites for an international intervention.
So it is necessary for the deployment of the forces of the World Alliance Armed Forces (WAAF), supported by units from the individual nations,in the whole area.
Should be initiated in an international mission led and coordinated by the organization to ensure that the territory does not infiltrating by criminal and terrorist groups, to ensure stability and security in the area and to avoid conflicts between the secessionist states.
The forces of the organization are experienced, highly trained and professional, are equipped with highly advanced equipment, and are highly mechanized.
Also, enjoy the full support of the civilian population, since it was the WAAF in defeating the Nazis rebels.
At the same time is necessary to start a great and massive humanitarian operation in the area, to avoid the risk, now too high of a humanitarian disaster.
The WAHO and its forces should be deployed heavily in the area, supported by units from individual nations.
The goals will be the usual, which is to provide humanitarian aid (food, medicines, basic necessities) to the population, to provide temporary housing for the homeless, assicuerare to all medical and psychological assistance.
At the same time it is necessary to initiate a restoration of basic services and infrastructure (from power lines, water systems and sewers, and then spend the rest).
The forces of WAHO are reliable, prepared and equipped, just like those of the WAAF, and enjoy of respect and trust among the population.
This will ensure stability and security, and will be averted all the risks of humanitarian disasters and civil wars.
At the same time, as proposed by New Tarajan, at the international level, it will start the negotiations between the parties in the field, in order to find a common situation.
A time for settling disputes, you can skip to the phase of economic investment in the area, even by the two organizations, to promote economic recovery, social development and the creation of steered stable, with solid administrative structure.
Leave the area without international forces,do not provide humanitarian assistance to the population, it will mean starting a new spiral of violence and instability, even in the case of international negotiations.
Criminal and terrorist activities will be expanded to represent serious risks for the entire international community
And, if there are risks to our nation, our forces will intervene militarily on its own, to ensure the right to existence and to self-defense, as guaranteed by the constitution of this region.
So,what decides the assembly?
The secessionist states are not able to maintain its own territory stable and secure, do not have the security forces adequately equipped and prepared.
This is a fact, and it can not be deny.
Furthermore, the situation of strong economic downturn and serious conflicts and social issues make the situation even more unstable.
There is therefore a high risk of war between the new secessionist states, and it is clear that the only ones who are trando advantages of this situation are criminal organizations and terrorist groups (think the drug cartels, still active in Farshonia).
These groups may also exert influence over the weak governments of the countries secessionists, all to the detriment of the international community.
Consequently, there are all the prerequisites for an international intervention.
So it is necessary for the deployment of the forces of the World Alliance Armed Forces (WAAF), supported by units from the individual nations,in the whole area.
Should be initiated in an international mission led and coordinated by the organization to ensure that the territory does not infiltrating by criminal and terrorist groups, to ensure stability and security in the area and to avoid conflicts between the secessionist states.
The forces of the organization are experienced, highly trained and professional, are equipped with highly advanced equipment, and are highly mechanized.
Also, enjoy the full support of the civilian population, since it was the WAAF in defeating the Nazis rebels.
At the same time is necessary to start a great and massive humanitarian operation in the area, to avoid the risk, now too high of a humanitarian disaster.
The WAHO and its forces should be deployed heavily in the area, supported by units from individual nations.
The goals will be the usual, which is to provide humanitarian aid (food, medicines, basic necessities) to the population, to provide temporary housing for the homeless, assicuerare to all medical and psychological assistance.
At the same time it is necessary to initiate a restoration of basic services and infrastructure (from power lines, water systems and sewers, and then spend the rest).
The forces of WAHO are reliable, prepared and equipped, just like those of the WAAF, and enjoy of respect and trust among the population.
This will ensure stability and security, and will be averted all the risks of humanitarian disasters and civil wars.
At the same time, as proposed by New Tarajan, at the international level, it will start the negotiations between the parties in the field, in order to find a common situation.
A time for settling disputes, you can skip to the phase of economic investment in the area, even by the two organizations, to promote economic recovery, social development and the creation of steered stable, with solid administrative structure.
Leave the area without international forces,do not provide humanitarian assistance to the population, it will mean starting a new spiral of violence and instability, even in the case of international negotiations.
Criminal and terrorist activities will be expanded to represent serious risks for the entire international community
And, if there are risks to our nation, our forces will intervene militarily on its own, to ensure the right to existence and to self-defense, as guaranteed by the constitution of this region.
So,what decides the assembly?
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Europa, I'm still waiting for you to accept my withdrawal from WAAF.
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Your resignation is accepted.Shirouma wrote:Europa, I'm still waiting for you to accept my withdrawal from WAAF.
We respect your decision and thank you for all the work you have done on behalf of the organization.
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United States of Europe wrote:
So,what decides the assembly?
Same as with our observations and beliefs, Eurussia maintains its stance supporting for a Joint WAAF-WAHO Intervention.
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Atletius will only support WAAF intervention if they are only peacekeepers, and do not directly militarily aid the regime of Farshonia nor directly attack the secessionists.
We seek clarification on these points.
We seek clarification on these points.
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Here is what King Wilhelm III said
Yes you may send reinforcement as I plan for unification wars to bring secessionist to their knees. Please dont send peace keeping forces just invade one of them.This is not for the annihilation of the secessionist but for the unity of an empire.
Wether the WAAF agrees or not I am sending troops. I would prefer to have WAAF intervention though so I vote Yes
Yes you may send reinforcement as I plan for unification wars to bring secessionist to their knees. Please dont send peace keeping forces just invade one of them.This is not for the annihilation of the secessionist but for the unity of an empire.
Wether the WAAF agrees or not I am sending troops. I would prefer to have WAAF intervention though so I vote Yes
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Noted.Great Empire of Ireland wrote:Here is what King Wilhelm III said
Yes you may send reinforcement as I plan for unification wars to bring secessionist to their knees. Please dont send peace keeping forces just invade one of them.This is not for the annihilation of the secessionist but for the unity of an empire.
Wether the WAAF agrees or not I am sending troops. I would prefer to have WAAF intervention though so I vote Yes
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Well, this is quiet a difficult situation, as we know.
What Ireland transmitted to us is the expression of what we were fearing most: that Farshonia could use the WAAF troops (or any other international contingent) at its own advantage in order to force the secessionists to submit.
We cannot tolerate this.
But, now, we have an opportunity: Farshonia accepted the Summit in Astana. What we can do now, as International Community, is to support diplomacy and mediation, which are the only ways to ensure peace in the region.
But with the opportunities, the problems: the attacks from Articmainia. That is not acceptable. If we will accept a WAAF intervention, it will be in response of those attacks, and only with the aim to repeal them. We cannot tolerate that anybody could take advantage from what's happening.
Consequently, we are more keen on accepting a peacekeeping force, but only at very strict conditions (such as, non-interference, a well-drafted and clear statute of intervention, repealing external attacks or other kinds of operations as main goal, protection of WAHO staff).
Of course, we agree with the sending of a WAHO mission, but this has to be discussed in the apposite place.
As last point, we wish to point out in front of the International Community that this is not the first time Articmainia took advantage from unstable situations to push forward clearly-imperialistic goals. We must think about it, and provide a clear, strong and swift response.
What Ireland transmitted to us is the expression of what we were fearing most: that Farshonia could use the WAAF troops (or any other international contingent) at its own advantage in order to force the secessionists to submit.
We cannot tolerate this.
But, now, we have an opportunity: Farshonia accepted the Summit in Astana. What we can do now, as International Community, is to support diplomacy and mediation, which are the only ways to ensure peace in the region.
But with the opportunities, the problems: the attacks from Articmainia. That is not acceptable. If we will accept a WAAF intervention, it will be in response of those attacks, and only with the aim to repeal them. We cannot tolerate that anybody could take advantage from what's happening.
Consequently, we are more keen on accepting a peacekeeping force, but only at very strict conditions (such as, non-interference, a well-drafted and clear statute of intervention, repealing external attacks or other kinds of operations as main goal, protection of WAHO staff).
Of course, we agree with the sending of a WAHO mission, but this has to be discussed in the apposite place.
As last point, we wish to point out in front of the International Community that this is not the first time Articmainia took advantage from unstable situations to push forward clearly-imperialistic goals. We must think about it, and provide a clear, strong and swift response.
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Atletius agrees fully with New Tarajan. A WAAF force's only objectives should be the protection of WAHO, Peacekeeping, and the removal of Artic troops if they are present.
They should not, band can not, directly attack the secessionists.
They should not, band can not, directly attack the secessionists.
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Well that is against the words of King Wilhelm III he said attack dont send Peace Keepers. I understand that we need to get our troops out of there but I am going on the Words of King Wilhelm III. I say we do intervene to attack one of the secessionist. Though we do not need to bring them to their knees and bow before us. We just need to defend an actual country. Because these states are not Sovereign until King Wilhelm III says so,we cant say that they are sovereign because they aren't. The King has not given them independence so they aren't independent. They can say they are but they aren't. right now they are only traitors and rebels in my book.
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Atletius wrote:Atletius agrees fully with New Tarajan. A WAAF force's only objectives should be the protection of WAHO, Peacekeeping, and the removal of Artic troops if they are present.
They should not, band can not, directly attack the secessionists.
Exactly. Also, I would like to add that the action of a WAAF contingent should be also the evacuation of EVERY OTHER external military contingent present in the whole area.
The presence of foreign troops in support of one or another side could only trigger a war.
About Ireland: yes, he asked for. But the WAAF is not at the service of any single State, but of the World Alliance as a whole. Also, Farshonia is no a member of this organization, so it cannot dictate to the WAAF any term or condition.
The goal of this mission should be to avoid war, while giving time to diplomacy and mediation at the Talks to reach a satisfactory result, thus making the situation finally more stable.
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Why should the WAAF do what KingWilhelm says, it is an independent body, one primarily created for peacekeeping operations.
Farshonia, backed by Ireland seems to be intent on using the WAAF as it's personal army.
Farshonia, backed by Ireland seems to be intent on using the WAAF as it's personal army.
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No thats not it. It is his country. He is not using it has his personall army because he would have no command over it. He just ASKS that you attack.Atletius wrote:Why should the WAAF do what KingWilhelm says, it is an independent body, one primarily created for peacekeeping operations.
Farshonia, backed by Ireland seems to be intent on using the WAAF as it's personal army.
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Great Empire of Ireland wrote:No thats not it. It is his country. He is not using it has his personall army because he would have no command over it. He just ASKS that you attack.Atletius wrote:Why should the WAAF do what KingWilhelm says, it is an independent body, one primarily created for peacekeeping operations.
Farshonia, backed by Ireland seems to be intent on using the WAAF as it's personal army.
It is up to each country to decide depending on their stance but WAAF can only act as a neutral peacekeeping force to protect the WAHO missions.
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To New Tarajan
Has King Wilhelm agreed to the peace talks. If he has not then dont start any.
Has King Wilhelm agreed to the peace talks. If he has not then dont start any.
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Fair enoughGreat Eurussia wrote:Great Empire of Ireland wrote:No thats not it. It is his country. He is not using it has his personall army because he would have no command over it. He just ASKS that you attack.Atletius wrote:Why should the WAAF do what KingWilhelm says, it is an independent body, one primarily created for peacekeeping operations.
Farshonia, backed by Ireland seems to be intent on using the WAAF as it's personal army.It is up to each country to decide depending on their stance but WAAF can only act as a neutral peacekeeping force to protect the WAHO missions.
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The WAAF was not created to attack secessionist states at the whim of a despot of a nation that is not even a member. It was founded to promote peace and stability through mainly peacekeeping operations.
Attacking the secessionists will cause:
1)'More death and destruction
2) A greater humanitarian crisis
3) More instability in the region
It will also make a peaceful diplomatic resolution to this issue nigh on impossible.
So we ask this, is that what Ireland wants?
Attacking the secessionists will cause:
1)'More death and destruction
2) A greater humanitarian crisis
3) More instability in the region
It will also make a peaceful diplomatic resolution to this issue nigh on impossible.
So we ask this, is that what Ireland wants?
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I said Fair Enough which means Ok I get it. The WAAF only does Peace Keeping. If we need to intervene for that do it. But I as a independent nation will attack one of the secessionist states with my own army.Atletius wrote:The WAAF was not created to attack secessionist states at the whim of a despot of a nation that is not even a member. It was founded to promote peace and stability through mainly peacekeeping operations.
Attacking the secessionists will cause:
1)'More death and destruction
2) A greater humanitarian crisis
3) More instability in the region
It will also make a peaceful diplomatic resolution to this issue nigh on impossible.
So we ask this, is that what Ireland wants?
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