Re: (WARP) World Alliance Royalist Party

Marquette (of Pacific) Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:58 am

Anglosphere wrote:Hello! I would like for my nation to be added to the roster of Royalist Nations if everyone finds that acceptable.

No objection here

New Tarajan Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:36 pm

We will wait for the opinions of the other members but, as far as it concerns me, there's no problem!

Atletius Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:41 pm

No objection.

Great Eurussia Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:33 am

Anglosphere wrote:Hello! I would like for my nation to be added to the roster of Royalist Nations if everyone finds that acceptable.

Ofcourse.

Ireland Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:09 am

OOC:Eurussia. This is a reply to your telegram. Mods still wont let me send any telegrams but yes you can.

Great Eurussia Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:26 am

Great Empire of Ireland wrote:OOC:Eurussia. This is a reply to your telegram. Mods still wont let me send any telegrams but yes you can.

You can still send me messages via this Forums! :-)

Ireland Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:28 am

Great Eurussia wrote:
Great Empire of Ireland wrote:OOC:Eurussia. This is a reply to your telegram. Mods still wont let me send any telegrams but yes you can.

You can still send me messages via this Forums! :-)

Actually no I cant. The PM button isn't showing up on your profile for me.

Ireland Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:29 am

Great Empire of Ireland wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
Great Empire of Ireland wrote:OOC:Eurussia. This is a reply to your telegram. Mods still wont let me send any telegrams but yes you can.

You can still send me messages via this Forums! :-)
Actually no I cant. The PM button isn't showing up on your profile for me.

I received your message. But its saying you cant receive PMs

Great Eurussia Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:30 am

Great Empire of Ireland wrote:
Great Empire of Ireland wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
Great Empire of Ireland wrote:OOC:Eurussia. This is a reply to your telegram. Mods still wont let me send any telegrams but yes you can.

You can still send me messages via this Forums! :-)
Actually no I cant. The PM button isn't showing up on your profile for me.
I received your message. But its saying you cant receive PMs

Oh! I'll change my settings! Sorry about that!

Ireland Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:31 am

Great Eurussia wrote:
Great Empire of Ireland wrote:
Great Empire of Ireland wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
Great Empire of Ireland wrote:OOC:Eurussia. This is a reply to your telegram. Mods still wont let me send any telegrams but yes you can.

You can still send me messages via this Forums! :-)
Actually no I cant. The PM button isn't showing up on your profile for me.
I received your message. But its saying you cant receive PMs

Oh! I'll change my settings! Sorry about that!

ok thanks. Dont be sorry. Its my fault I cant send telegrams.

Great Eurussia Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:32 am

Great Empire of Ireland wrote:

Oh! I'll change my settings! Sorry about that!
ok thanks. Dont be sorry. Its my fault I cant send telegrams.

Try sending me PM's now! I was also banned from sending TG's before when the region was still new 'coz I kept on inviting nations lol

Ireland Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:35 am

Great Eurussia wrote:
Great Empire of Ireland wrote:

Oh! I'll change my settings! Sorry about that!
ok thanks. Dont be sorry. Its my fault I cant send telegrams.

Try sending me PM's now! I was also banned from sending TG's before when the region was still new 'coz I kept on inviting nations lol

Did you receive mine

Great Eurussia Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:35 am

Great Empire of Ireland wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
Great Empire of Ireland wrote:

Oh! I'll change my settings! Sorry about that!
ok thanks. Dont be sorry. Its my fault I cant send telegrams.

Try sending me PM's now! I was also banned from sending TG's before when the region was still new 'coz I kept on inviting nations lol
Did you receive mine

Yes!

New Tarajan Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:46 pm

As Leader of the Party, I'm concerned about the Eurussian decision not to take in front of this Party and its members such an important draft as a revision of the Judicial Protocal Act.
Although we understand that, often, the procedure to submit to the Party a draft could appear an unuseful bureaucratic move, but it has a ratio, and it is to avoid the Party splitting in the voting procedure.
Now, the damage has been done, and since it's not possible anymore to withdraw the bill, we will proceed further. However, I ask to everyone, and particularly to Eurussia in this case, to refrain for the future to do so, particularly if we are handling with such important things for the World Alliance as a whole, or I will be obliged to take actions.
Now, I strongly invite every member to participate to the debate in the Parliament.
Thank you.

Great Eurussia Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:26 pm

Spoiler:

I believe that I have said enough of seeking understanding from our Party members on our opening statement on the proposal which is just to SIMPLIFY the process. And I strongly believe that this simple procedure of going directly to the Parliament where all party members are also members of the legislature will all do the same thing if it were to be presented here.

Now, if it is only the issue of splitting the votes of the Party due to that, may be this is something that the leadership should work on with as it has been obvious and proven that with our previous bill, which was presented here, and later presented on the floor, it is our great amusement that not all the party members have voted nor even supported the bill even if they don't like it. So I guess voting is a matter of party discipline rather than presenting a bill here first then revise then ln the parliament and then revise which could be simplified.

And that is the problem in which we have always raised in the party that we can't discipline our own members to have a bloc voting or actively participate.

New Tarajan Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:25 pm

I can understand the intention to simplify the legislative process, which is commendable..BUT...anyway, while of course what is necessary is party discipline, as you said, this discipline applies also to the existing procedures, even if someone could not approve them fully.
In that case, we can gather together and THEN, change the procedure itself. Not taking unilateral actions without even consulting nor the Party nor the Leader.
Now, the case is closed. We will proceed with the discussion of the bill in front of the Parliament.

Great Eurussia Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:27 pm

New Tarajan wrote:I can understand the intention to simplify the legislative process, which is commendable..BUT...anyway, while of course what is necessary is party discipline, as you said, this discipline applies also to the existing procedures, even if someone could not approve them fully.
In that case, we can gather together and THEN, change the procedure itself. Not taking unilateral actions without even consulting nor the Party nor the Leader.
Now, the case is closed. We will proceed with the discussion of the bill in front of the Parliament.

Well in that case, may I know what is the leadership doing in ensuring that all members are voting as ONE?

New Tarajan Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:57 pm

This procedure is aimed EXACTLY at that purpose.
Of course, it's not possible to force everyone to participate to votations (someone could have RL problems, don't you think so?) nor to vote positively.
In this second case, if the Party already reached an agreement, there's a sanction, beginning with a warning, and proceeding further if new violations occurs.
Isn't it so obvious?

Great Eurussia Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:00 pm

New Tarajan wrote:This procedure is aimed EXACTLY at that purpose.
Of course, it's not possible to force everyone to participate to votations (someone could have RL problems, don't you think so?) nor to vote positively.
In this second case, if the Party already reached an agreement, there's a sanction, beginning with a warning, and proceeding further if new violations occurs.
Isn't it so obvious?

Real life things are always understandable. But voting against a proposal of a party mate? We have experienced that several times before, if I am correct, but I never heard nor have seen any warning from the leadership? But with us who is actively promoting the party and even participating in Parliament? We always get warning and threats of this or that even for small things?
Why is that? I'm confused?

New Tarajan Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:41 am

I have not received informations about some Members voting against a bill which passed in front of the Party before going to the Parliament.

Atletius Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:52 am

OOC Apologies for my bots of absence I've been busy finalising my move back to London. I haven't had the time to read over Eurussias bill in any real detail but will try to as soon as possible.

Marquette (of Pacific) Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:58 am

Atletius wrote:OOC Apologies for my bots of absence I've been busy finalising my move back to London. I haven't had the time to read over Eurussias bill in any real detail but will try to as soon as possible.

He finally produced something good.

Ireland Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:03 am

Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:
Atletius wrote:OOC Apologies for my bots of absence I've been busy finalising my move back to London. I haven't had the time to read over Eurussias bill in any real detail but will try to as soon as possible.

He finally produced something good.

The last bill was good the only ones who didn't think so was you and one other nation

New Tarajan Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:13 am

Great Empire of Ireland wrote:
Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:
Atletius wrote:OOC Apologies for my bots of absence I've been busy finalising my move back to London. I haven't had the time to read over Eurussias bill in any real detail but will try to as soon as possible.

He finally produced something good.
The last bill was good the only ones who didn't think so was you and one other nation

Please, it's not necessary to begin another fight inside the Party.
Let us concentrate our attention and energies over the new bill. What is past, is past.

Ireland Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:19 am

New Tarajan wrote:
Great Empire of Ireland wrote:
Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:
Atletius wrote:OOC Apologies for my bots of absence I've been busy finalising my move back to London. I haven't had the time to read over Eurussias bill in any real detail but will try to as soon as possible.

He finally produced something good.
The last bill was good the only ones who didn't think so was you and one other nation

Please, it's not necessary to begin another fight inside the Party.
Let us concentrate our attention and energies over the new bill. What is past, is past.

Yes agreed

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