Articmainia Peace Talks

Yellasia wrote:Since we were involved in this conflict, we propose the following solution:

1. Allow John Wallace to remain alive, but have his powers revoked. Under the terms between Articmainia and I following the last war, John Wallace has already had many of his executive powers removed, so much of 'his' actions here were actually decided behind the scenes by many other high ranking Articmainian officials. Now he must either become a completely ceremonial figure (the best compromise since Artimainia does not have to give up too much) or completely stripped of power but left alone.

2. Articmainia gives up his colony as he has already offered.

3. Articmainia introduces some form of elected body, but does not have to make far-reaching changes to his political system. This would ensure certain powers are checked, and is more fair for the Articmainian people.

New-Zealand wrote:

Yellasia wrote:Since we were involved in this conflict, we propose the following solution:

1. Allow John Wallace to remain alive, but have his powers revoked. Under the terms between Articmainia and I following the last war, John Wallace has already had many of his executive powers removed, so much of 'his' actions here were actually decided behind the scenes by many other high ranking Articmainian officials. Now he must either become a completely ceremonial figure (the best compromise since Artimainia does not have to give up too much) or completely stripped of power but left alone.

2. Articmainia gives up his colony as he has already offered.

3. Articmainia introduces some form of elected body, but does not have to make far-reaching changes to his political system. This would ensure certain powers are checked, and is more fair for the Articmainian people.

Thats a fair compromise. However, if you want you don't have to introduce an elected body. HOWEVER, if you choose not to introduce an elected body, Wallace must be handed over to us for a trial. You can send him to be prosecuted in NZ and I can promise you that he will only get the life sentence with minimum parole of 25 years, however once (if) parole is granted, he must remain in NZ and will be kept under close surveillance. I can promise you he will be treated well and will be housed safely in NZ's extremely humanitarian prisons. Do remember, in most of the other nations, he is going to get the death penalty.

New-Zealand wrote:

Yellasia wrote:Since we were involved in this conflict, we propose the following solution:

1. Allow John Wallace to remain alive, but have his powers revoked. Under the terms between Articmainia and I following the last war, John Wallace has already had many of his executive powers removed, so much of 'his' actions here were actually decided behind the scenes by many other high ranking Articmainian officials. Now he must either become a completely ceremonial figure (the best compromise since Artimainia does not have to give up too much) or completely stripped of power but left alone.

2. Articmainia gives up his colony as he has already offered.

3. Articmainia introduces some form of elected body, but does not have to make far-reaching changes to his political system. This would ensure certain powers are checked, and is more fair for the Articmainian people.

Thats a fair compromise. However, if you want you don't have to introduce an elected body. HOWEVER, if you choose not to introduce an elected body, Wallace must be handed over to us for a trial. You can send him to be prosecuted in NZ and I can promise you that he will only get the life sentence with minimum parole of 25 years, however once (if) parole is granted, he must remain in NZ and will be kept under close surveillance. I can promise you he will be treated well and will be housed safely in NZ's extremely humanitarian prisons. Do remember, in most of the other nations, he is going to get the death penalty.

UNILATERAL MILITARY INTERVENTION

Authored by the Empire of Great Eurussia

Target : Georgia, Japan, and Articmainia

Preamble : 

The Eurussian Government, in its desire to maintain and promote world peace and ensure that all disputes are settled with the most peaceful means available, has been urged by the international community to request before the Security Council, that after all diplomacy has been exhausted, to authorize a worldwide effort of a military intervention to bring the nations of Georgia, Japan, and Articmainia back into a responsible member of the community.

These were caused by their unilateral invasion of different countries for reasons unacceptable to the standards of the international community and as well as blatant violation of the World Alliance Constitution and in that sense, disrespectful to international laws.

Objective : 

The Security Council, composed of all its members, shall lead an international effort to remove the responsible heads of state and heads of government of Georgia, Japan, and Articmainia, by force if necessary, and ensure the installation and establishment of a constitutional democratic government to Georgia, Japan, and Articmainia to preserve their independence, sovereignty, heritage, and identity as Georgians, Japanese, and Articmainians, respectively.

The Security Council shall utilize the WAAF to achieve the objectives of this mandate, provided that all actions of these international effort of military intervention are consistent with the principles of international laws and the spirit of this Security Council mandate.

The Security Council, by virtue of this mandate, shall ensure that Georgia, Japan, and Articmania, upon establishment of their new constitutional democratic governments, shall never wage aggression, except in cases of self defense. Otherwise, any nation, may invoke this international law (regional law), again, to maintain world peace.

All responsible leaders shall be brought to the WA Court of Justice.

New Tarajan wrote:Undoubtedly. However, as I said before, I wish to suggest to ask to Articamnia to talk first about what he is going to accept at the negotiations.
We need a shared basic ground for the peace  treaty.

New-Zealand wrote:Ahem Marquette, the NZ Judicial System would put him through a stringent rehabilitation system during those 25+ year. Remember, I said 25 to life, if the parole officers consider him to be a threat to the public, he will never be released. I'm essentially giving him the maximum possible sentence that isn't direct murder or serious assault. If he had actually directly killed someone, he would have been given the life sentence, NO PAROLE. Consider it a loophole in the system, but our rehabilitation system has worked well thus far.

Anyhow, in this case it may be better for him to be prosecuted in Eurasia, whose judicial system is nowhere near as lenient and "nice" as mine. He'll definitely get the death sentence, heck! it'll probably be done publicly.

Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:

New-Zealand wrote:Ahem Marquette, the NZ Judicial System would put him through a stringent rehabilitation system during those 25+ year. Remember, I said 25 to life, if the parole officers consider him to be a threat to the public, he will never be released. I'm essentially giving him the maximum possible sentence that isn't direct murder or serious assault. If he had actually directly killed someone, he would have been given the life sentence, NO PAROLE. Consider it a loophole in the system, but our rehabilitation system has worked well thus far.

Anyhow, in this case it may be better for him to be prosecuted in Eurasia, whose judicial system is nowhere near as lenient and "nice" as mine. He'll definitely get the death sentence, heck! it'll probably be done publicly.

Marquette pushes for Wallace to be tried in Eurasia.

New-Zealand wrote:First of all, I said MINIMUM of 25 years, he will probably serve more than that.

Secondly, I could probably use a loophole and claim he directly commanded troops to kill, so he was the direct cause of the act, except he acted through a third party. That way I can give him the maximum possible NZ sentence which is life with minimum of 1000 years.


Though, he probably wont be suffering considering this is the standard set up for our prisons :




He's going to have an airconditioned room with en suite bathroom, a laptop with high speed internet, and a LCD TV with connection to cable TV. He will have the opportunity to work in prison jobs for tokens which he can use to buy stuff like play stations, books etc. Heck! our prisons are kinda like 3-4 star hotels, except you cant leave.

Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:

New-Zealand wrote:First of all, I said MINIMUM of 25 years, he will probably serve more than that.

Secondly, I could probably use a loophole and claim he directly commanded troops to kill, so he was the direct cause of the act, except he acted through a third party. That way I can give him the maximum possible NZ sentence which is life with minimum of 1000 years.


Though, he probably wont be suffering considering this is the standard set up for our prisons :




He's going to have an airconditioned room with en suite bathroom, a laptop with high speed internet, and a LCD TV with connection to cable TV. He will have the opportunity to work in prison jobs for tokens which he can use to buy stuff like play stations, books etc. Heck! our prisons are kinda like 3-4 star hotels, except you cant leave.

That is completely OUTRAGEOUS. I am personally and as a country starting to dislike your nation every time you post in this thread. Why is that the standard for your prisons?! I understand why a political prisoner like Mr. Wallace would receive a cell like that, but that's the STANDARD?!

And what's with you talking about making loopholes? Does your system really have that many loopholes? You ought to take a look at redefining your justice system, pally.