Re: (KP) Kyongdong Program

Europe and Asia Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:53 am

Great Empire of Ireland wrote:
Europe and Asia wrote:
Great Empire of Ireland wrote: -snip-

It says we are the law interpreters. We are interpreting the law currently in the investigation, and in doing so deem it necessary to suspend this while the investigation is under way. This organization is suspected of possible law violation, and thus is suspended until the investigation is over. I will tell you, as I have told Eurussia prior, the court knows the law.
But no law has been broken. And why are you starting an investigation nearly 1 month after this started. And I do believe you actually tried to get in.

"The Socialist Commonwealth will support the Kyongdong Program.

We are willing to provide money, resources, and building sites for the program.
However, we are not willing to host the testing site."

So i dont get why this is happening now instead of when we started research.

My personal involvement is irrelevant. I am currently acting in my duties as the Chief Justice of the COJ, and not as a sovereign nation. And I will again state, if you'd stop being so stubborn and read, We are investigation possible breaches; no one said you were guilty of anything.

Europe and Asia Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:54 am

Great Empire of Ireland wrote:Yes the Court might know the law but so do we. And I know that no law has been broken.

Who's job is it to interpret the law? Not yours, last time I checked. We decide whether a law has been broken.

Marquette (of Pacific) Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:57 am

Dromoda wrote:
Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:
Dromoda wrote:
Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
Dromoda wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
Great Empire of Ireland wrote:And what laws are these.

The Nuclear Test Ban Act and the Biological & Chemical Weapons Ban Act, of course.
As I already said in the thread of the investigation, we must answer to a question: why the WA Government approved such a kind of laws?
The answer is simple: because nuclear, biological and chemical weapons are terribly dangerous. They're classified as Weapons of Mass Destruction for a reason.
So, to proceed with the construction and testing of a weapon far more powerful of any other kind "conventional" nuclear weapon, is obviously against the spirit of these two laws.
At this point, why not removing them at all? Because, as I already said, the only consequence of the Program will be a new race-to-arms, and the consequent destruction of all positive results achieved by those two bills.

Really? When you yourself even said that the Kyongdong Program is not nuclear, not chemical, and not even biological. And furthermore, who are these nations that will start an arms race? You? Or those nations that are jealous because Dromoda came up with a brilliant idea for a more powerful technology?
Anyways, Eurussia continues to support the program.

Yes, me.
And every other country willing to keep their independence. Because, if a small club of countries will have such a powerful weapon, every other country would face the critical need to counter-balance such a power. So, the only consequence it's an arms race. It's exactly what happened with the nuclear bomb.
It's not a race against a particular country, it's a race for self-defense. This is elementar strategy.

if and i say if, if this so called bomb would be in existence the whole world ( in my opinion) has the right to use it in space against what is out there. like asteroids and or bigger objects.

those are mine intentions and i think that more of my fellow members of the Kyongdong program have the same intentions like i do.

none of us want to see the world burn. but for the defense of our planet we should have weapons of not mass destruction. i would call it mass protection.

If these are really your intentions, they're commendable, of course.
But, first of all, you cannot talk for every other member of the Program.
And, secondly, if this is really the original and true goal of the Program, why not giving it to some WA Organization? This way, all countries will participate, and it will be kept under the exclusive control of the World Alliance Government.

This is where we must disagree. It is our opinion that weapons of this type should never exist. No one is to be trusted with keeping these safe. Eventually, there will be armageddon because the international government got too lazy with regulating the weapons, and we are NOT allowing that.

you are not allowing that.

We, Marquette, will not allow nations to become so powerful. We will do whatever is in our power to help stop this organization, and all other future organizations like it. This is the beginning of the end, if this bomb is completed.

this is the begining of the end of your argument. who says that one nation is gonna be responsible for this bomb?

> we < need to protect ourselves from the outside. not just us. but you too.

what if crashing meteors would fall upon our planet.... or worse..

what if terorists get this advancement first... we would be doomed. all of us.

We don't need to protect ourselves from the outside.. Our moon does a perfectly fine job of protecting us for us. A meteor has never hit the earth that has destroyed it, so why should it in the future? Besides, meteors hit the earth all the time, and life still continues. These meteors are rarely very large, and can be taken out by a regular sized warhead.

Let's face the facts, terrorists don't have access to the astronomical amount of capital needed to fund a project of this size, we all know that.

Dromoda Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:03 am

Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:
Dromoda wrote:
Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:
Dromoda wrote:
Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
Dromoda wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
Great Empire of Ireland wrote:And what laws are these.

The Nuclear Test Ban Act and the Biological & Chemical Weapons Ban Act, of course.
As I already said in the thread of the investigation, we must answer to a question: why the WA Government approved such a kind of laws?
The answer is simple: because nuclear, biological and chemical weapons are terribly dangerous. They're classified as Weapons of Mass Destruction for a reason.
So, to proceed with the construction and testing of a weapon far more powerful of any other kind "conventional" nuclear weapon, is obviously against the spirit of these two laws.
At this point, why not removing them at all? Because, as I already said, the only consequence of the Program will be a new race-to-arms, and the consequent destruction of all positive results achieved by those two bills.

Really? When you yourself even said that the Kyongdong Program is not nuclear, not chemical, and not even biological. And furthermore, who are these nations that will start an arms race? You? Or those nations that are jealous because Dromoda came up with a brilliant idea for a more powerful technology?
Anyways, Eurussia continues to support the program.

Yes, me.
And every other country willing to keep their independence. Because, if a small club of countries will have such a powerful weapon, every other country would face the critical need to counter-balance such a power. So, the only consequence it's an arms race. It's exactly what happened with the nuclear bomb.
It's not a race against a particular country, it's a race for self-defense. This is elementar strategy.

if and i say if, if this so called bomb would be in existence the whole world ( in my opinion) has the right to use it in space against what is out there. like asteroids and or bigger objects.

those are mine intentions and i think that more of my fellow members of the Kyongdong program have the same intentions like i do.

none of us want to see the world burn. but for the defense of our planet we should have weapons of not mass destruction. i would call it mass protection.

If these are really your intentions, they're commendable, of course.
But, first of all, you cannot talk for every other member of the Program.
And, secondly, if this is really the original and true goal of the Program, why not giving it to some WA Organization? This way, all countries will participate, and it will be kept under the exclusive control of the World Alliance Government.

This is where we must disagree. It is our opinion that weapons of this type should never exist. No one is to be trusted with keeping these safe. Eventually, there will be armageddon because the international government got too lazy with regulating the weapons, and we are NOT allowing that.

you are not allowing that.

We, Marquette, will not allow nations to become so powerful. We will do whatever is in our power to help stop this organization, and all other future organizations like it. This is the beginning of the end, if this bomb is completed.

this is the begining of the end of your argument. who says that one nation is gonna be responsible for this bomb?

> we < need to protect ourselves from the outside. not just us. but you too.

what if crashing meteors would fall upon our planet.... or worse..

what if terorists get this advancement first... we would be doomed. all of us.

We don't need to protect ourselves from the outside.. Our moon does a perfectly fine job of protecting us for us. A meteor has never hit the earth that has destroyed it, so why should it in the future? Besides, meteors hit the earth all the time, and life still continues. These meteors are rarely very large, and can be taken out by a regular sized warhead.

Let's face the facts, terrorists don't have access to the astronomical amount of capital needed to fund a project of this size, we all know that.

Great Eurussia Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:08 pm

Seeing how this arguments run, it's very obvious that the Kyongdong Program will proceed as it is. Whatever happening here are just pure politics and self interest.

Eurussia remains committed to the Kyongdong Program.

Ireland Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:01 pm

Great Eurussia wrote:
Seeing how this arguments run, it's very obvious that the Kyongdong Program will proceed as it is. Whatever happening here are just pure politics and self interest.
Eurussia remains committed to the Kyongdong Program.

As do I.

Dromoda Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:22 pm

The first Matter Bomb has been tested.

Explosive power: 100000MT
Codename: Irdrusa
Nuclear fallout: None
Nuclear radiation: None
shockwave: 3 time's around our planet.

Next projects:

Deuterium enrichment.
Deuterium plants.
Helium3p plants
The Death matter bomb
Sen-D matter- nuclear plant.
Use of Dark-matter in the Industrial sector.

Federation of Antanares Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:07 pm

Sorry Dromoda, for MY you intend Megaton?
If yes, I think it's a bit unrealistic. The most powerful bomb of the history, the Tsar Bomb, was of 50 megatons and destroyed and area of 35 kilometers and costed to the URSS a lot of money. I know it's only a game this, but if you have produced a 100000 Megatons of powef, of anti-matter, I think you with your test, has destroyed our words, after the destruction of your entire economy only for one test.

New Tarajan Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:36 pm

Federation of Antanares wrote:Sorry Dromoda, for MY you intend Megaton?
If yes, I think it's a bit unrealistic. The most powerful bomb of the history, the Tsar Bomb, was of 50 megatons and destroyed and area of 35 kilometers and costed to the URSS a lot of money. I know it's only a game this, but if you have produced a 100000 Megatons of powef, of anti-matter, I think you with your test, has destroyed our words, after the destruction of your entire economy only for one test.

This is the only possible outcome of this bomb, indeed. It's far more powerful than anything recorded in history.
And this is why this test is illegal. Also, there's an investigation of the CoJ on the issue, right now.
Thus, as President of the Council, I strongly invite any country involved not to undertake further testing until the question is not resolved. I also invite the Dromodan government to immediately send the results of this test, if it really happened, to the CoJ for consideration, since they could be evidences for the investigation.
Thank you.

Federation of Antanares Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:51 pm

My words are only for a more scientific role-play. 100.000 megatons are ... too many. A single test have, if the RP is confirmed, destroyed our world.

Great Eurussia Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:19 pm

Dromoda wrote:The first Matter Bomb has been tested.

Explosive power: 100000MT
Codename: Irdrusa
Nuclear fallout: None
Nuclear radiation: None
shockwave: 3 time's around our planet.

Next projects:

Deuterium enrichment.
Deuterium plants.
Helium3p plants
The Death matter bomb
Sen-D matter- nuclear plant.
Use of Dark-matter in the Industrial sector.

Eurussia praises the successful test. We are looking forward to see more testings to further strengthen the product of the Kyongdong Program.

OOC: I think Dromoda, Antanares is correct, although I'm not familiar with 'megatons' etc. It is the most powerful now (and realistically the only powerful) and I would wish to see its 'radius impact' of how wide its coverage than our current nuclear weapons.

Great Eurussia Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:27 pm

New Tarajan wrote:
Federation of Antanares wrote:Sorry Dromoda, for MY you intend Megaton?
If yes, I think it's a bit unrealistic. The most powerful bomb of the history, the Tsar Bomb, was of 50 megatons and destroyed and area of 35 kilometers and costed to the URSS a lot of money. I know it's only a game this, but if you have produced a 100000 Megatons of powef, of anti-matter, I think you with your test, has destroyed our words, after the destruction of your entire economy only for one test.

This is the only possible outcome of this bomb, indeed. It's far more powerful than anything recorded in history.
And this is why this test is illegal. Also, there's an investigation of the CoJ on the issue, right now.
Thus, as President of the Council, I strongly invite any country involved not to undertake further testing until the question is not resolved. I also invite the Dromodan government to immediately send the results of this test, if it really happened, to the CoJ for consideration, since they could be evidences for the investigation.
Thank you.

Again, Eurussia, and the rest of the nations involved in the Kyongdong Program, namely Dromoda, Texania, and Ireland will not recognize the Court's investigation, much more participate citing that we are still not satisfied and questioning the very basic legality of such.

Thank you.

New Tarajan Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:42 pm

Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
Federation of Antanares wrote:Sorry Dromoda, for MY you intend Megaton?
If yes, I think it's a bit unrealistic. The most powerful bomb of the history, the Tsar Bomb, was of 50 megatons and destroyed and area of 35 kilometers and costed to the URSS a lot of money. I know it's only a game this, but if you have produced a 100000 Megatons of powef, of anti-matter, I think you with your test, has destroyed our words, after the destruction of your entire economy only for one test.

This is the only possible outcome of this bomb, indeed. It's far more powerful than anything recorded in history.
And this is why this test is illegal. Also, there's an investigation of the CoJ on the issue, right now.
Thus, as President of the Council, I strongly invite any country involved not to undertake further testing until the question is not resolved. I also invite the Dromodan government to immediately send the results of this test, if it really happened, to the CoJ for consideration, since they could be evidences for the investigation.
Thank you.

Again, Eurussia, and the rest of the nations involved in the Kyongdong Program, namely Dromoda, Texania, and Ireland will not recognize the Court's investigation, much more participate citing that we are still not satisfied and questioning the very basic legality of such.
Thank you.

Still, the invitation will not be retired.
Now, it's not only a question of legality, but also a question of goodwill. You know that this investigation created a terrible issue, here; so, it is at least a form of respect to the International Community and the WA institutions to temporarily stop the activities involved, even only to demonstrate your willingness to cooperate.

Dromoda Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:24 pm

New Tarajan wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
Federation of Antanares wrote:Sorry Dromoda, for MY you intend Megaton?
If yes, I think it's a bit unrealistic. The most powerful bomb of the history, the Tsar Bomb, was of 50 megatons and destroyed and area of 35 kilometers and costed to the URSS a lot of money. I know it's only a game this, but if you have produced a 100000 Megatons of powef, of anti-matter, I think you with your test, has destroyed our words, after the destruction of your entire economy only for one test.

This is the only possible outcome of this bomb, indeed. It's far more powerful than anything recorded in history.
And this is why this test is illegal. Also, there's an investigation of the CoJ on the issue, right now.
Thus, as President of the Council, I strongly invite any country involved not to undertake further testing until the question is not resolved. I also invite the Dromodan government to immediately send the results of this test, if it really happened, to the CoJ for consideration, since they could be evidences for the investigation.
Thank you.

Again, Eurussia, and the rest of the nations involved in the Kyongdong Program, namely Dromoda, Texania, and Ireland will not recognize the Court's investigation, much more participate citing that we are still not satisfied and questioning the very basic legality of such.
Thank you.

Still, the invitation will not be retired.
Now, it's not only a question of legality, but also a question of goodwill. You know that this investigation created a terrible issue, here; so, it is at least a form of respect to the International Community and the WA institutions to temporarily stop the activities involved, even only to demonstrate your willingness to cooperate.

The investigation is not allowed in any building in Kyongdong or in a radius of 300KM of Kyongdong.

not even Kyongdong Airport

New Tarajan Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:31 pm

For the sake of everyone, New Tarajan wishes to appeal to the goodwill of the Dromodan government: let the investigation begin.
If your intentions are to protect our world against outer-space threats, we have already proposed a possibly good solution for this.

Planitan Commonwealth Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:38 pm

Dromoda wrote:The first Matter Bomb has been tested.

Explosive power: 100000MT
Codename: Irdrusa
Nuclear fallout: None
Nuclear radiation: None
shockwave: 3 time's around our planet.

Next projects:

Deuterium enrichment.
Deuterium plants.
Helium3p plants
The Death matter bomb
Sen-D matter- nuclear plant.
Use of Dark-matter in the Industrial sector.

I agree if Dromoda's info is correct you guys just wiped the ocean of the map, also several other cities with the resulting tsunami

Great Eurussia Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:41 pm

Spoiler:

Eurussia believes that we have done enough goodwill to accept criticisms from overacting nations to pursue the Kyongdong Program for the protection of the world. Hence, it is the turn of these overacting nations to do the true goodwill. Nevertheless, we do not recognize nor participate in the illegal and unfounded investigation.

Eurussia and the rest of the participating nations of the Kyongdong Program will continue as planned.

Now, if we may request those non-member states of the Kyongdong Program to stop posting on our thread as it destroys the good flow of our talks. Thank you.

New Tarajan Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:06 am

Sorry, but, since Eurussia it's always the first to pretend a reasonable response to question, we wish to have the same treatment for our own.
If really your only aim is to boost technology and to protect our world from outer-space threats, why not putting the Program under the jurisdiction of a WA Organization? Why keeping it only for a particular group of countries?

Great Eurussia Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:08 am

New Tarajan wrote:Sorry, but, since Eurussia it's always the first to pretend a reasonable response to question, we wish to have the same treatment for our own.
If really your only aim is to boost technology and to protect our world from outer-space threats, why not putting the Program under the jurisdiction of a WA Organization? Why keeping it only for a particular group of countries?

Again, we will not entertain anymore non-member states.

Great Eurussia Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:09 am

Planitan Commonwealth wrote:
Dromoda wrote:The first Matter Bomb has been tested.

Explosive power: 100000MT
Codename: Irdrusa
Nuclear fallout: None
Nuclear radiation: None
shockwave: 3 time's around our planet.

Next projects:

Deuterium enrichment.
Deuterium plants.
Helium3p plants
The Death matter bomb
Sen-D matter- nuclear plant.
Use of Dark-matter in the Industrial sector.
I agree if Dromoda's info is correct you guys just wiped the ocean of the map, also several other cities with the resulting tsunami

Yeah in terms of power it could be lowered to what was declared by Dromoda but much much larger than that of a nuclear bomb. But when it comes to radius, there is no doubt it will be much much larger :-D

Dromoda Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:23 am

Great Eurussia wrote:
Planitan Commonwealth wrote:
Dromoda wrote:The first Matter Bomb has been tested.

Explosive power: 100000MT
Codename: Irdrusa
Nuclear fallout: None
Nuclear radiation: None
shockwave: 3 time's around our planet.

Next projects:

Deuterium enrichment.
Deuterium plants.
Helium3p plants
The Death matter bomb
Sen-D matter- nuclear plant.
Use of Dark-matter in the Industrial sector.
I agree if Dromoda's info is correct you guys just wiped the ocean of the map, also several other cities with the resulting tsunami

Yeah in terms of power it could be lowered to what was declared by Dromoda but much much larger than that of a nuclear bomb. But when it comes to radius, there is no doubt it will be much much larger :-D

the Radius is just double the size of a Tsar bomba. i checked .

New Tarajan Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:28 am

Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:Sorry, but, since Eurussia it's always the first to pretend a reasonable response to question, we wish to have the same treatment for our own.
If really your only aim is to boost technology and to protect our world from outer-space threats, why not putting the Program under the jurisdiction of a WA Organization? Why keeping it only for a particular group of countries?

Again, we will not entertain anymore non-member states.

This is extremely disrespectful. In this case, we cannot avoid to consider your intentions as not conformed with the Dromodan statements.
Thank you.

Federation of Antanares Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:11 am

Why nobody read me? I'm talking about the Power of the Bomb, not the radius. Dromoda wrote that the bomb have a power of 100.000 megatons and this is unrealistic. Not the radius. The power.

Dromoda Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:37 am

Federation of Antanares wrote:Why nobody read me? I'm talking about the Power of the Bomb, not the radius. Dromoda wrote that the bomb have a power of 100.000 megatons and this is unrealistic. Not the radius. The power.

no its not.

the new Tsar bomba (not tested because it is illegal) has that amount of megatons

Federation of Antanares Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:52 am

Can you link anything that talk about this bomb? I didn't found any trace on internet.

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