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Eurussian Vice Chancellor
Vice Chancellor of Great Eurussia
His Excellency, Dmitry Medvedev
"We believe that the Chinese has accepted our proposed treaty of peace and we hope Artite accepts the same terms to bring closure to your tensions now that diplomacy has toned down rhetoric from both sides."
SPECIAL DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE ZARISTIC LEAGUE OF TRADE AND THE WORLD TRADE UNION
* MOSCOW PEACE SUMMIT *
Special Dialogue between the Zaristic League of Trade & the World Trade Union
Moscow, Eurussia
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NOTE: This is exclusive to the leaders and representatives of the member states of both the Zaristic League of Trade and the World Trade Union. However, to promote further peace and understanding, other countries may send their high level representatives to act as observers who can also share their views and opinions. Thank you!
Re: Moscow Peace Summit
The United Kingdoms of Apepistan will send ambassador Lord Muhtar Tenger to the summit.
We will wait until the arrival of the other states' delegations before stating our points.
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Eurussian Ambassador
Eurussian Ambassador to the World Trade Union
His Excellency, Yury Trutnev
"Being the mediator of this dialogue between the Zaristic League of Trade and the World Trade Union, I am honored to welcome you all in Moscow, Great Eurussia!"
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Atlantica sends Vice Grand Admiral Jones as there representative to the summit.
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United States of Scouting Sends Secretary of State, Johnathan McClure to Observe Talks
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The President of the Republic of Scottlands
The President Alexander Salmon
The President Alexander Salmon
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Eurussian Ambassador
Eurussian Ambassador to the World Trade Union
His Excellency, Yury Trutnev
"Let us begin gentlemen. May we hear first the sentiments from the Zaristic League of Trade."
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We'd like to bring 3 points to clarification that make the WTU-ZAR relations troublesome. These are the following:
I. The WTU leadership said that the organisation will rival ZAR, but ZAR members can join aswell. Which one is it then?
The Republic of Scottlands have clearly stated both, and the two contradict themselves:
We would like if the WTU leadership would make up its mind and finally decide on the matter, or at least give a clear statement about it.
II. WTU and its members are constantly referring to ZAR as a military organisation. This is not true and is degrading to the organisation and insulting to its members. ZAR does not have an own navy, thus it is not a military organisation, neither is it a military alliance like SHAD, for example. It is a coalition of states who created a free and secure trade zone. Member states defend their own trade ships if the situation requires them to. Are our nations not allowed to defend their own citizens and property if they're threatened, or else we'll be called warmongers? This is simply diplomatical mud throwing.
III. There is the case where a ZAR trade ship was attacked and sunk by an unknown aggressor. ZAR had its suspicions that the attacker might have been a ship of a WTU member. When ZAR turned to the WTU to discuss this matter, we received further insults, and not even the slightest sign of respect, or willingness to discuss a rather serious issue. Simple facts showing us that there is no way the attacker could have been a WTU would've been enough, but this response led to further suspicions from our side.
We, the United Kingdoms of Apepistan sincerely hope that this time the Republic of Scottlands will actually take part in the discussion and not regard facts as lies, and questions as accusations.
I. The WTU leadership said that the organisation will rival ZAR, but ZAR members can join aswell. Which one is it then?
The Republic of Scottlands have clearly stated both, and the two contradict themselves:
Republic of Scottlands wrote:
The Republic of Scottlands founded the World Trade Union to promote global trade without barriers. This will rival the ZAR [...]
Republic of Scottlands wrote:Apepistan wrote:I'm interested, but I have a couple of questions:
1.) All is free to join - So ZAR member nations can join too? [...]
1) Yes everyone! [...]
We would like if the WTU leadership would make up its mind and finally decide on the matter, or at least give a clear statement about it.
II. WTU and its members are constantly referring to ZAR as a military organisation. This is not true and is degrading to the organisation and insulting to its members. ZAR does not have an own navy, thus it is not a military organisation, neither is it a military alliance like SHAD, for example. It is a coalition of states who created a free and secure trade zone. Member states defend their own trade ships if the situation requires them to. Are our nations not allowed to defend their own citizens and property if they're threatened, or else we'll be called warmongers? This is simply diplomatical mud throwing.
Republic of Scottlands wrote:
This will rival the ZAR that is not just focus on trade but wars which is not good for our economy. The World Trade Union will promote trade with or without war for the people.
III. There is the case where a ZAR trade ship was attacked and sunk by an unknown aggressor. ZAR had its suspicions that the attacker might have been a ship of a WTU member. When ZAR turned to the WTU to discuss this matter, we received further insults, and not even the slightest sign of respect, or willingness to discuss a rather serious issue. Simple facts showing us that there is no way the attacker could have been a WTU would've been enough, but this response led to further suspicions from our side.
Republic of Scottlands wrote:Apepistan wrote:The United Kingdoms of Apepistan requests that the WTU sends representatives to a meeting with the ZAR leadership to clear recent issues, mainly:
- The suspected attack of a ZAR trade ship by a WTU member.
- The diplomatic insults of WTU against ZAR and its members.
- The contradictory statements WTU leadership is making.
ZAR would gladly host the meeting for clearing these issues, but if a nation neutral to both WTU and ZAR will volunteer to do so, that is also acceptable. Telegram the Azotakzian ZAR representatives for the details, as they are the Head of the ZAR Court.
Thank you in advance.
The WTU rejects all your accusations. They are all lies. We will not attend any meeting with any ZAR country because of your accusations.
We, the United Kingdoms of Apepistan sincerely hope that this time the Republic of Scottlands will actually take part in the discussion and not regard facts as lies, and questions as accusations.
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Let me be clear in behalf of the great World Trade Union. #1 The world has nothing to confuse with this because ZAR being a militaristic organization is the one treating WTU as a rival. I only mean rival as analysis of influence and not meaning to compete to ZAR that is why all is welcome. #2 defending each other in an organization is an alliance without the word alliance. Whatever explanation if ZAR is not a military organization, why bother to defend each other? #3 Time and time again, ZAR is always very suspicious of WTU members to the point that our ships are accused of sinking their ships. They never had any evidence to support such lies.
ZAR must be thankful WTU is spending time with them here in this meeting despite all the problems that is created by ZAR itself.
ZAR must be thankful WTU is spending time with them here in this meeting despite all the problems that is created by ZAR itself.
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As a ZAR member i must say that we are a TRADE UNION and not a military organization we are for open trade between our members and we protect our ships with the nations own navy
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ZAR is NOT a Militaristic Organization. We are a TRADE organization, hence ZARISTIC LEAGUE OF TRADE. We only have our OWN military to protect us, however this does not stop other ZAR members from helping us. As for the sunken ZAR ship, you've finally come to the table to talk about this. We thought you had something to hide as you hadn't come to the table and refused to talk while calling us liars over and over again.
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Let me ask you a question then.
If a WTU member gets blockaded and/or embargoed, what does the WTU react?
If a WTU member gets blockaded and/or embargoed, what does the WTU react?
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Eurussian Ambassador
Eurussian Ambassador to the World Trade Union
His Excellency, Yury Trutnev
"It is our belief that both sides have serious points against each other. However, at the moment, the most critical matter we should address is the sinking of a ZAR ship allegedly by a WTU ship. This can be treated as an act of war.
May we ask ZAR if it has evidence to support its claims?
On the other hand, we commend ZAR for suspending its talks to impose an embargo against WTU which we believe is helpful in our diplomatic dialogue."
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Apepistan wrote:Let me ask you a question then.
If a WTU member gets blockaded and/or embargoed, what does the WTU react?
Very simple. WTU consult each other on what to do because we are not a militaristic organization like the ZAR. Blockade is an economic sabotage while embargo is an economic sanction which has different implications and causes and WTU is focusing on peaceful trade.
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Great Eurussia wrote:
Eurussian Ambassador to the World Trade UnionHis Excellency, Yury Trutnev"It is our belief that both sides have serious points against each other. However, at the moment, the most critical matter we should address is the sinking of a ZAR ship allegedly by a WTU ship. This can be treated as an act of war.May we ask ZAR if it has evidence to support its claims?On the other hand, we commend ZAR for suspending its talks to impose an embargo against WTU which we believe is helpful in our diplomatic dialogue."
The Republic of Scottlands has been asking this for so long too.
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Republic of Scottlands wrote:Apepistan wrote:Let me ask you a question then.
If a WTU member gets blockaded and/or embargoed, what does the WTU react?
Very simple. WTU consult each other on what to do because we are not a militaristic organization like the ZAR. Blockade is an economic sabotage while embargo is an economic sanction which has different implications and causes and WTU is focusing on peaceful trade.
I would like to point out a fact that may be flying over people's heads. The ZAR are not a militaristic organization. They are in fact a Trade Alliance. Yes while I agree that a blockade is an economic sabotage, it should not be taken to dramatically and blown out of proportion. I take it though that WTU members in particular are confusing the SHAD with the ZAR whose members are relatively the same. I wish to see the way ZAR is militaristic in anyway shape or form? A document perhaps that states they are both a trade and military alliance. We all know that SHAD is a highly militarized alliance. It is suppose to be, but ZAR is a highly economically motivated alliance. What gain do a bunch of merchants and entrepreneurs gain from going to war with other trade alliances. The fact that ZAR members can join the WTU makes this issue extremely unpleasant and confusing. It was clearly stated, and this is evidence that has not been tampered with hopefully, that ZAR members could join WTU but the WTU was a rival trade alliance to ZAR. At this point any argument you try to make is invalid until that point is addressed first and foremost. Once this confusion as to whether the WTU is actually a rival or not of the ZAR is cleared then we could continue on to the other points.
Facts so far that I as an outside observer have seen. Is that the WTU is the rival to ZAR however allows ZAR members to join. That ZAR is a trade alliance and in no way shape or form has a coalition army at the ready. That both WTU and ZAR nations use their own military forces to provide protection to their merchant vessels which are manned by the nationals of said nation and the protection of the vessel itself which is under protection of the origin state.
This is all I have seen and I hope that both the WTU and the ZAR can clear the air of confusion and professional and maturely deal with this issue at hand with out pointing fingers at who is what and why they are as such.
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Eurussian Ambassador
Eurussian Ambassador to the World Trade Union
His Excellency, Yury Trutnev
"We beg to agree with our honourable colleague from Artite. However, we should not forget the issue at hand, and that is the evidence and proof that WTU ships are the ones that sank a certain ship of a member state of the ZAR. And we ask ZAR to provide us all with the proof and evidences so as we can move forward with other issues between WTU and ZAR."
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Lady Nicola arrives from Scottish Republic
"I beg your pardon gentlemen. I am sorry for interrupting this peace talks. I am the new President of the Scottish Republic and since we announce our neutrality. We want to finish this talks once and for all. We want to live in peace with Zaristic League."
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Then let us agree on:
I. WTU and ZAR both publicly apologise to each other and stop hostilities. WTU and ZAR will be trade partners instead of rivals from now on.
II. WTU and ZAR both agree to hold each others ideologies in respect and speak the truth and only the truth concerning the other.
III. WTU and ZAR both agree not to issue embargo on each other in order to guarantee a free and prosperous trade.
IV. WTU and ZAR set a fixed, common tax rate on each others wares and goods, meaning that ZAR trade to WTU gets the same tax rate for a certain type ware that WTU trade to ZAR for the same same type of ware.
V. WTU and ZAR help each other identify attacks on each others property and personell.
VI. Both WTU and ZAR agree to issue sanctions or even kick their member(s) if they break the treaty without justificable reason.
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I think this sums up most of it, but please feel free to add, take, or retake anything if you see it fit that way.
I. WTU and ZAR both publicly apologise to each other and stop hostilities. WTU and ZAR will be trade partners instead of rivals from now on.
II. WTU and ZAR both agree to hold each others ideologies in respect and speak the truth and only the truth concerning the other.
III. WTU and ZAR both agree not to issue embargo on each other in order to guarantee a free and prosperous trade.
IV. WTU and ZAR set a fixed, common tax rate on each others wares and goods, meaning that ZAR trade to WTU gets the same tax rate for a certain type ware that WTU trade to ZAR for the same same type of ware.
V. WTU and ZAR help each other identify attacks on each others property and personell.
VI. Both WTU and ZAR agree to issue sanctions or even kick their member(s) if they break the treaty without justificable reason.
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I think this sums up most of it, but please feel free to add, take, or retake anything if you see it fit that way.
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Apepistan wrote:Then let us agree on:
I. WTU and ZAR both publicly apologise to each other and stop hostilities. WTU and ZAR will be trade partners instead of rivals from now on.
II. WTU and ZAR both agree to hold each others ideologies in respect and speak the truth and only the truth concerning the other.
III. WTU and ZAR both agree not to issue embargo on each other in order to guarantee a free and prosperous trade.
IV. WTU and ZAR set a fixed, common tax rate on each others wares and goods, meaning that ZAR trade to WTU gets the same tax rate for a certain type ware that WTU trade to ZAR for the same same type of ware.
V. WTU and ZAR help each other identify attacks on each others property and personell.
VI. Both WTU and ZAR agree to issue sanctions or even kick their member(s) if they break the treaty without justificable reason.
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I think this sums up most of it, but please feel free to add, take, or retake anything if you see it fit that way.
1) ZAR should be the one to apologize to WTU because of accusing us of sinking ships without evidence until now.
2) Agreed.
3) Rejected because we are a neutral nation.
4) Agreed.
5) Rejected because we are a neutral nation.
6) Rejected because we are a neutral nation.
Scottish Republic and the 12 powerful nations of WTU wants an apology from ZAR.
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The Atlantican Observer stands up, "I am sorry for the interruption but, Atlantica is hoping we can reach a form of peace and order, ZAR and WTU are little more than trade unions, not a axis powers vs allies. We should been working together to find out who did the attack and future attacks to avoid this happening again, even if it is just a "We did not attack" statement from one of the sides. Is that not a more orderly and peaceful way of doing this Ladies and Gentlemen?" The observer sat back down after speaking.
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Again, ZAR never claimed that a WTU member sunk a ZAR trade ship, it was suspected; that is why we asked WTU about it before forming a statement about the matter.
Why should only ZAR make a public apology if WTU is spreading lies about ZAR?
What does 3, 5 and 6 have to do with the Scottish Republic being a neutral nation?
3 and 5 are simply agreements on peaceful, efficient cooperation, and 6 is there to ensure that both WTU and ZAR will take responsibility for the actions of their members.
We do not see how this interferes with the neutrality of the Scottish Republic.
Who exactly are the 12 nations of WTU?
For us it seems the Scottish Republic has founded it, Svaerige, Eurussia, Uzukima, Empire of Russia and China China have applied and been accepted as members, with Omega Atlantica being an observer.
ZAR, on the other hand, has 12 members: Azotakza, Apepistan, Shlask, Omega Atlantica, Beylov, Snarfia, Xolox, Homerton, Kondrovo, Muchos Estados, United States of Scouting and Hungaria Nova, and Eurussia as an observer according to the official list of our organisation.
Why should only ZAR make a public apology if WTU is spreading lies about ZAR?
What does 3, 5 and 6 have to do with the Scottish Republic being a neutral nation?
3 and 5 are simply agreements on peaceful, efficient cooperation, and 6 is there to ensure that both WTU and ZAR will take responsibility for the actions of their members.
We do not see how this interferes with the neutrality of the Scottish Republic.
Who exactly are the 12 nations of WTU?
For us it seems the Scottish Republic has founded it, Svaerige, Eurussia, Uzukima, Empire of Russia and China China have applied and been accepted as members, with Omega Atlantica being an observer.
ZAR, on the other hand, has 12 members: Azotakza, Apepistan, Shlask, Omega Atlantica, Beylov, Snarfia, Xolox, Homerton, Kondrovo, Muchos Estados, United States of Scouting and Hungaria Nova, and Eurussia as an observer according to the official list of our organisation.
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Eurussian Ambassador
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His Excellency, Yury Trutnev
"We second the representative of Omega Atlantica. On our part, it will be in the interests of both the World Trade Union and the Zaristic League of Trade to issue a Joint Declaration to finally end all these misunderstandings once and for all."
JOINT DECLARATION BETWEEN WORLD TRADE UNION (SCOTTISH REPUBLIC) AND ZARISTIC LEAGUE OF TRADE (UNITED KINGDOMS OF APEPISTAN)
The Scottish Republic, in behalf of the WTU, and the United Kingdoms of Apepistan, in behalf of the ZAR, do hereby issue this binding joint declaration where we vow to move forward from the past and foster closer cooperation and friendship between the two organizations. We vow to initiate the necessary arrangements to become two global trade partners and respect each others' ideologies and beliefs for the benefit of our peoples.
It is our understanding that there were differences and miscommunications regarding an incident involving a ZAR-flagged ship and we vow to cooperate with each other to aid with the outcome of an international investigation to find out the truth. If a member state of the WTU is found to have caused the incident, the concerned state shall issue a public apology, otherwise, the non-member state of the WTU shall make the public apology. If a member state of the ZAR, is found to have caused the incident, the concerned state shall issue a public apology, otherwise, the non-member state of the ZAR shall make the apology. This Declaration shall not hinder the affected country to seek international damages before a competent international tribunal or adjudicator.
Hence, the WTU and the ZAR issues this Joint Declaration of Commitment.
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I approve of this agreement in behalf of the World Trade Union.
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