WAAF General Meeting

United States of Europe wrote:

Dromoda wrote:

United States of Europe wrote:Demilitarization is something too heavy, would ultimately weigh heavily on Russia.
Would seize virtually reduced to a colony.
The Russian people would not accept it, and rise up against us.
We see this as "colonizers" and this could be exploited for the benefit of Stalin and his government.
Instead, the Russian people must see us as liberators by the totalitarian dictatorship.
We must make sure that the entire government to resign Stalin, and start a process of democratization in Russia.
Above all, once democratized, we should increase investment in economic Russiaper to develop the economy and create a good state apparatus.
In this way, the Russian people certainly sympathize with us.
In addition, we should have more covenants and friendship with that country.
In this way, protremo better control of the nation, and tighten the belt in case of problems.
If we do this, probably the Russian people will accept a place on our military presence, with an international basis.

The base would be open to international forces of the nations that participated in the mission against Russia, even those who have not joined officially and Shirouma.
Preferably, the place should be allocated Rapid Deployment Forces of the WAAF, if nations are membre of the organization.

What do you think?

well we dont agree with the democratization part

 We have to do it, is a must.
The Russian people not appreciate a smitilarizzazione and a foreign presence in their national soil.
May arise, and Stalin would take advantage to strengthen his powers, increase its consensus and act against us once again.
Unless we do something for the Russian people.
So bring down the dictatorship, by dismissing the current government, and initiate a process of democratization.
Then, invest resources in Russia to make it develop economically and to create a good state apparatus.
In this way, we will check the best government of the new democratic Russia, and the people will see us as liberators.
So, we can safely maintain a massive military presence in that country.
In addition, we do not risk it a return to the government of Stalin, and not even revolutions and revolts in his name.

Dromoda wrote:

United States of Europe wrote:

Dromoda wrote:

United States of Europe wrote:Demilitarization is something too heavy, would ultimately weigh heavily on Russia.
Would seize virtually reduced to a colony.
The Russian people would not accept it, and rise up against us.
We see this as "colonizers" and this could be exploited for the benefit of Stalin and his government.
Instead, the Russian people must see us as liberators by the totalitarian dictatorship.
We must make sure that the entire government to resign Stalin, and start a process of democratization in Russia.
Above all, once democratized, we should increase investment in economic Russiaper to develop the economy and create a good state apparatus.
In this way, the Russian people certainly sympathize with us.
In addition, we should have more covenants and friendship with that country.
In this way, protremo better control of the nation, and tighten the belt in case of problems.
If we do this, probably the Russian people will accept a place on our military presence, with an international basis.

The base would be open to international forces of the nations that participated in the mission against Russia, even those who have not joined officially and Shirouma.
Preferably, the place should be allocated Rapid Deployment Forces of the WAAF, if nations are membre of the organization.

What do you think?

well we dont agree with the democratization part

 We have to do it, is a must.
The Russian people not appreciate a smitilarizzazione and a foreign presence in their national soil.
May arise, and Stalin would take advantage to strengthen his powers, increase its consensus and act against us once again.
Unless we do something for the Russian people.
So bring down the dictatorship, by dismissing the current government, and initiate a process of democratization.
Then, invest resources in Russia to make it develop economically and to create a good state apparatus.
In this way, we will check the best government of the new democratic Russia, and the people will see us as liberators.
So, we can safely maintain a massive military presence in that country.
In addition, we do not risk it a return to the government of Stalin, and not even revolutions and revolts in his name.

well a good state does not have to be an democracy. we Dromodians are no democracy and look our economy and the freedoms our people enjoy. i mean that a dictator could be a good one and could care for its people if he wants to. our leader does.

New Tarajan wrote:I agree both with Dromoda and Europe.
With Dromoda, because we think that a democratization is not so necessary; with Europe, because I believe the line he designed is the best opportunity to finally stabilize the situation.
Until now, New Tarajan insisted with the demilitarization of Russia, as a fundamental part of the surrender. However, I have to admit Europe has a good point fearing that internationa pressure on demilitarization could be a weapon in the hands of the Stalin.
So, we are ready to withdraw our initial proposal, eventually replacing it with a simple reduction of military forces, especially regarding the capabilities of long-range attacks.
Also, we could create a mission or special commission of the World Development Bank, devoted to the economic development of Russia, to side with the WAAF mission, which will have also a civilian side, in order to help what Europe said on the opportunity to let Russian people see us as liberators.
About the government, we believe the actual communist nomenklatura cannot be let in charge. However, as we said before, this doesn't necessarilty mean democratization. Simply, the responsibles of the attack must be put in front of the justice.

United States of Europe wrote:

New Tarajan wrote:I agree both with Dromoda and Europe.
With Dromoda, because we think that a democratization is not so necessary; with Europe, because I believe the line he designed is the best opportunity to finally stabilize the situation.
Until now, New Tarajan insisted with the demilitarization of Russia, as a fundamental part of the surrender. However, I have to admit Europe has a good point fearing that internationa pressure on demilitarization could be a weapon in the hands of the Stalin.
So, we are ready to withdraw our initial proposal, eventually replacing it with a simple reduction of military forces, especially regarding the capabilities of long-range attacks.
Also, we could create a mission or special commission of the World Development Bank, devoted to the economic development of Russia, to side with the WAAF mission, which will have also a civilian side, in order to help what Europe said on the opportunity to let Russian people see us as liberators.
About the government, we believe the actual communist nomenklatura cannot be let in charge. However, as we said before, this doesn't necessarilty mean democratization. Simply, the responsibles of the attack must be put in front of the justice.

 We are happy with the position taken by New Tarajan.
In addition, Eurussia protested about the area in which to build a military base internationally.
In fact, this area is within Russia, and this would violate their sovereignty, going out from the principles of WAAF.
So, I think the military base WAAF international must always be placed in a strategic area for that region, but in an international area, so it does not contravene any sovereignty.

Federation of Antanares wrote:We must help Russia and I agree with the position of other members of the WAAF. But recently I see that Eurussia doesn't approve our move and Texania move in another base the troops. I thinks is necessary now demonstrate that we are not an invasion force but only friends who want to help them to get out from the regime of Stalin and his brutality, his inefficiency and his weakness.
I think, after the deploy of our troops in the new base, we can suggest to use our forces like police corps, help in reconstruction with our equipments and vehicles.

Great Eurussia wrote:

Federation of Antanares wrote:We must help Russia and I agree with the position of other members of the WAAF. But recently I see that Eurussia doesn't approve our move and Texania move in another base the troops. I thinks is necessary now demonstrate that we are not an invasion force but only friends who want to help them to get out from the regime of Stalin and his brutality, his inefficiency and his weakness.
I think, after the deploy of our troops in the new base, we can suggest to use our forces like police corps, help in reconstruction with our equipments and vehicles.

Eurussia is a responsible member of the WAAF and we wish to protect the dignity of the WAAF by advising that its presence on Russian soil is a clear violation of sovereignty because the forces are unwanted in that country and there is no SC approved military intervention.

Furthermore, we object any move to interfere with the internal affairs of Ultra Nationalist Russia since the WAAF is risking another blatant violation of constitutional right of an independent state which is the right to non-interference. However, if there is indeed a great call for the change of leadership in communist Russia, then the pressure must come from the international community by way of SC imposed sanctions and charge their leader in Court.

Texania wrote:

Great Eurussia wrote:

Federation of Antanares wrote:We must help Russia and I agree with the position of other members of the WAAF. But recently I see that Eurussia doesn't approve our move and Texania move in another base the troops. I thinks is necessary now demonstrate that we are not an invasion force but only friends who want to help them to get out from the regime of Stalin and his brutality, his inefficiency and his weakness.
I think, after the deploy of our troops in the new base, we can suggest to use our forces like police corps, help in reconstruction with our equipments and vehicles.

Eurussia is a responsible member of the WAAF and we wish to protect the dignity of the WAAF by advising that its presence on Russian soil is a clear violation of sovereignty because the forces are unwanted in that country and there is no SC approved military intervention.

Furthermore, we object any move to interfere with the internal affairs of Ultra Nationalist Russia since the WAAF is risking another blatant violation of constitutional right of an independent state which is the right to non-interference. However, if there is indeed a great call for the change of leadership in communist Russia, then the pressure must come from the international community by way of SC imposed sanctions and charge their leader in Court.

I think you arent understanding,The base is to be used as a fast deployment to Anything that need's to be assisted to,Earthquakes,disasters,wars...etc

Federation of Antanares wrote:Antanares thinks we must react to the action of Stalin and his government. Russia must pay for the war that caused. For that we think is necessary a fast intervention of the Security Council, that is active during this day, in spite of the assembly for the reform of our constitution.
We suggest a diplomatic intervention that enforce Stalin to abandon the power and use the WAAF for ensure new free election. Also, Antanares support the idea of an international base outside of the territory of Russia from that launch humanitarian missions and support the nation in this difficult period of transition.

New Tarajan wrote:A more practical solutions would be to ask to WAAF Member States to designate bases and facilities to be used by WAAF-only contingents. It would less "invasive" of the regional geography.

Regarding the Russian situation, we understand, and appreciate, the Eurussian intervention, alongside the diplomatic pressure. However, we have to admit that, until now, there isn't been any significant progress: ok, Russia have accepted to surrender, but under what conditions? Nothing, practically.
The government of Stalin is still governing the State, and the responsibles of the attack are still sitting comfortably on their seats.
The WAAF have to demonstrate to be liberators, not conquerors...but must also ensure the respect of International Law. We don't see, for the moment, any practical plan to achieve the judgement of the WA Court of Justice on Stalin and his government.

Great Eurussia wrote:

Eurussia requests the WAAF to justify its plans on preventing the Communist Russian Government for developing its arms industry. Unless unjustified, our government believes that the WAAF is becoming the aggressor and violating the rights of a sovereign state.

Great Eurussia wrote:

If that is the case, Eurussia believes that diplomats must be sent to Communist Russia to relay our concerns and even invite their government to join the WAAF to convince their government to be transparent and coordinative with the international community. We must not always use force with force and sword with sword to achieve peace.

New Tarajan wrote:

Great Eurussia wrote:

If that is the case, Eurussia believes that diplomats must be sent to Communist Russia to relay our concerns and even invite their government to join the WAAF to convince their government to be transparent and coordinative with the international community. We must not always use force with force and sword with sword to achieve peace.

Without doubts we have to rely also on diplomacy.
But an invite in the WAAF would be, in the opinion of the Royal government, premature.
It could result in th paralysys of any future operation the WAAF should be obliged to take against Russia. We cannot simply admit them here without guarantees.

United States of Europe wrote:For the moment, all that the WAAF is able to do is keep active the air and sea blockade, keep operating the Rapid Deployment Forces in Shirouma and continue to build an international basis.
Also, continue to maintain as valid economic sanctions against Russia.
We can not act directly without the authorization of the Security Council.
Therefore, strongly urge Eurussia to propose a provision laying face resign Stalin and his government, so that they can be prosecuted for violating international law.
They have violated the rules, and not simple enough excuses to turn back.
Shirouma and the entire region deserves justice.
Only then, when in Russia there will be a new government, we'll alliances and investments.
Therefore, we continue to ask Eurussia, our good ally, to intervene immediately.
This is not diplomacy or war, it is pure and simple desire for peace, justice and stability.
Things that Russia has broken and violated shamelessly, and will continue to do so, if we do not move, or better, if Eurussia does not move.