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Re: Moscow Peace Summit
Great Eurussia wrote:
Eurussian Ambassador to the World Trade UnionHis Excellency, Yury Trutnev"It is our belief that both sides have serious points against each other. However, at the moment, the most critical matter we should address is the sinking of a ZAR ship allegedly by a WTU ship. This can be treated as an act of war.May we ask ZAR if it has evidence to support its claims?On the other hand, we commend ZAR for suspending its talks to impose an embargo against WTU which we believe is helpful in our diplomatic dialogue."
The Republic of Scottlands has been asking this for so long too.
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Re: Moscow Peace Summit
Republic of Scottlands wrote:Apepistan wrote:Let me ask you a question then.
If a WTU member gets blockaded and/or embargoed, what does the WTU react?
Very simple. WTU consult each other on what to do because we are not a militaristic organization like the ZAR. Blockade is an economic sabotage while embargo is an economic sanction which has different implications and causes and WTU is focusing on peaceful trade.
I would like to point out a fact that may be flying over people's heads. The ZAR are not a militaristic organization. They are in fact a Trade Alliance. Yes while I agree that a blockade is an economic sabotage, it should not be taken to dramatically and blown out of proportion. I take it though that WTU members in particular are confusing the SHAD with the ZAR whose members are relatively the same. I wish to see the way ZAR is militaristic in anyway shape or form? A document perhaps that states they are both a trade and military alliance. We all know that SHAD is a highly militarized alliance. It is suppose to be, but ZAR is a highly economically motivated alliance. What gain do a bunch of merchants and entrepreneurs gain from going to war with other trade alliances. The fact that ZAR members can join the WTU makes this issue extremely unpleasant and confusing. It was clearly stated, and this is evidence that has not been tampered with hopefully, that ZAR members could join WTU but the WTU was a rival trade alliance to ZAR. At this point any argument you try to make is invalid until that point is addressed first and foremost. Once this confusion as to whether the WTU is actually a rival or not of the ZAR is cleared then we could continue on to the other points.
Facts so far that I as an outside observer have seen. Is that the WTU is the rival to ZAR however allows ZAR members to join. That ZAR is a trade alliance and in no way shape or form has a coalition army at the ready. That both WTU and ZAR nations use their own military forces to provide protection to their merchant vessels which are manned by the nationals of said nation and the protection of the vessel itself which is under protection of the origin state.
This is all I have seen and I hope that both the WTU and the ZAR can clear the air of confusion and professional and maturely deal with this issue at hand with out pointing fingers at who is what and why they are as such.
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Eurussian Ambassador
Eurussian Ambassador to the World Trade Union
His Excellency, Yury Trutnev
"We beg to agree with our honourable colleague from Artite. However, we should not forget the issue at hand, and that is the evidence and proof that WTU ships are the ones that sank a certain ship of a member state of the ZAR. And we ask ZAR to provide us all with the proof and evidences so as we can move forward with other issues between WTU and ZAR."
Re: Moscow Peace Summit
Lady Nicola arrives from Scottish Republic
"I beg your pardon gentlemen. I am sorry for interrupting this peace talks. I am the new President of the Scottish Republic and since we announce our neutrality. We want to finish this talks once and for all. We want to live in peace with Zaristic League."
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Re: Moscow Peace Summit
Then let us agree on:
I. WTU and ZAR both publicly apologise to each other and stop hostilities. WTU and ZAR will be trade partners instead of rivals from now on.
II. WTU and ZAR both agree to hold each others ideologies in respect and speak the truth and only the truth concerning the other.
III. WTU and ZAR both agree not to issue embargo on each other in order to guarantee a free and prosperous trade.
IV. WTU and ZAR set a fixed, common tax rate on each others wares and goods, meaning that ZAR trade to WTU gets the same tax rate for a certain type ware that WTU trade to ZAR for the same same type of ware.
V. WTU and ZAR help each other identify attacks on each others property and personell.
VI. Both WTU and ZAR agree to issue sanctions or even kick their member(s) if they break the treaty without justificable reason.
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I think this sums up most of it, but please feel free to add, take, or retake anything if you see it fit that way.
I. WTU and ZAR both publicly apologise to each other and stop hostilities. WTU and ZAR will be trade partners instead of rivals from now on.
II. WTU and ZAR both agree to hold each others ideologies in respect and speak the truth and only the truth concerning the other.
III. WTU and ZAR both agree not to issue embargo on each other in order to guarantee a free and prosperous trade.
IV. WTU and ZAR set a fixed, common tax rate on each others wares and goods, meaning that ZAR trade to WTU gets the same tax rate for a certain type ware that WTU trade to ZAR for the same same type of ware.
V. WTU and ZAR help each other identify attacks on each others property and personell.
VI. Both WTU and ZAR agree to issue sanctions or even kick their member(s) if they break the treaty without justificable reason.
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I think this sums up most of it, but please feel free to add, take, or retake anything if you see it fit that way.
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Re: Moscow Peace Summit
Apepistan wrote:Then let us agree on:
I. WTU and ZAR both publicly apologise to each other and stop hostilities. WTU and ZAR will be trade partners instead of rivals from now on.
II. WTU and ZAR both agree to hold each others ideologies in respect and speak the truth and only the truth concerning the other.
III. WTU and ZAR both agree not to issue embargo on each other in order to guarantee a free and prosperous trade.
IV. WTU and ZAR set a fixed, common tax rate on each others wares and goods, meaning that ZAR trade to WTU gets the same tax rate for a certain type ware that WTU trade to ZAR for the same same type of ware.
V. WTU and ZAR help each other identify attacks on each others property and personell.
VI. Both WTU and ZAR agree to issue sanctions or even kick their member(s) if they break the treaty without justificable reason.
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I think this sums up most of it, but please feel free to add, take, or retake anything if you see it fit that way.
1) ZAR should be the one to apologize to WTU because of accusing us of sinking ships without evidence until now.
2) Agreed.
3) Rejected because we are a neutral nation.
4) Agreed.
5) Rejected because we are a neutral nation.
6) Rejected because we are a neutral nation.
Scottish Republic and the 12 powerful nations of WTU wants an apology from ZAR.
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Re: Moscow Peace Summit
The Atlantican Observer stands up, "I am sorry for the interruption but, Atlantica is hoping we can reach a form of peace and order, ZAR and WTU are little more than trade unions, not a axis powers vs allies. We should been working together to find out who did the attack and future attacks to avoid this happening again, even if it is just a "We did not attack" statement from one of the sides. Is that not a more orderly and peaceful way of doing this Ladies and Gentlemen?" The observer sat back down after speaking.
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Re: Moscow Peace Summit
Again, ZAR never claimed that a WTU member sunk a ZAR trade ship, it was suspected; that is why we asked WTU about it before forming a statement about the matter.
Why should only ZAR make a public apology if WTU is spreading lies about ZAR?
What does 3, 5 and 6 have to do with the Scottish Republic being a neutral nation?
3 and 5 are simply agreements on peaceful, efficient cooperation, and 6 is there to ensure that both WTU and ZAR will take responsibility for the actions of their members.
We do not see how this interferes with the neutrality of the Scottish Republic.
Who exactly are the 12 nations of WTU?
For us it seems the Scottish Republic has founded it, Svaerige, Eurussia, Uzukima, Empire of Russia and China China have applied and been accepted as members, with Omega Atlantica being an observer.
ZAR, on the other hand, has 12 members: Azotakza, Apepistan, Shlask, Omega Atlantica, Beylov, Snarfia, Xolox, Homerton, Kondrovo, Muchos Estados, United States of Scouting and Hungaria Nova, and Eurussia as an observer according to the official list of our organisation.
Why should only ZAR make a public apology if WTU is spreading lies about ZAR?
What does 3, 5 and 6 have to do with the Scottish Republic being a neutral nation?
3 and 5 are simply agreements on peaceful, efficient cooperation, and 6 is there to ensure that both WTU and ZAR will take responsibility for the actions of their members.
We do not see how this interferes with the neutrality of the Scottish Republic.
Who exactly are the 12 nations of WTU?
For us it seems the Scottish Republic has founded it, Svaerige, Eurussia, Uzukima, Empire of Russia and China China have applied and been accepted as members, with Omega Atlantica being an observer.
ZAR, on the other hand, has 12 members: Azotakza, Apepistan, Shlask, Omega Atlantica, Beylov, Snarfia, Xolox, Homerton, Kondrovo, Muchos Estados, United States of Scouting and Hungaria Nova, and Eurussia as an observer according to the official list of our organisation.
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Eurussian Ambassador
Eurussian Ambassador to the World Trade Union
His Excellency, Yury Trutnev
"We second the representative of Omega Atlantica. On our part, it will be in the interests of both the World Trade Union and the Zaristic League of Trade to issue a Joint Declaration to finally end all these misunderstandings once and for all."
JOINT DECLARATION BETWEEN WORLD TRADE UNION (SCOTTISH REPUBLIC) AND ZARISTIC LEAGUE OF TRADE (UNITED KINGDOMS OF APEPISTAN)
The Scottish Republic, in behalf of the WTU, and the United Kingdoms of Apepistan, in behalf of the ZAR, do hereby issue this binding joint declaration where we vow to move forward from the past and foster closer cooperation and friendship between the two organizations. We vow to initiate the necessary arrangements to become two global trade partners and respect each others' ideologies and beliefs for the benefit of our peoples.
It is our understanding that there were differences and miscommunications regarding an incident involving a ZAR-flagged ship and we vow to cooperate with each other to aid with the outcome of an international investigation to find out the truth. If a member state of the WTU is found to have caused the incident, the concerned state shall issue a public apology, otherwise, the non-member state of the WTU shall make the public apology. If a member state of the ZAR, is found to have caused the incident, the concerned state shall issue a public apology, otherwise, the non-member state of the ZAR shall make the apology. This Declaration shall not hinder the affected country to seek international damages before a competent international tribunal or adjudicator.
Hence, the WTU and the ZAR issues this Joint Declaration of Commitment.
Re: Moscow Peace Summit
I approve of this agreement in behalf of the World Trade Union.
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Re: Moscow Peace Summit
Apepistan wrote:Again, ZAR never claimed that a WTU member sunk a ZAR trade ship, it was suspected; that is why we asked WTU about it before forming a statement about the matter.
Why should only ZAR make a public apology if WTU is spreading lies about ZAR?
What does 3, 5 and 6 have to do with the Scottish Republic being a neutral nation?
3 and 5 are simply agreements on peaceful, efficient cooperation, and 6 is there to ensure that both WTU and ZAR will take responsibility for the actions of their members.
We do not see how this interferes with the neutrality of the Scottish Republic.
Who exactly are the 12 nations of WTU?
For us it seems the Scottish Republic has founded it, Svaerige, Eurussia, Uzukima, Empire of Russia and China China have applied and been accepted as members, with Omega Atlantica being an observer.
ZAR, on the other hand, has 12 members: Azotakza, Apepistan, Shlask, Omega Atlantica, Beylov, Snarfia, Xolox, Homerton, Kondrovo, Muchos Estados, United States of Scouting and Hungaria Nova, and Eurussia as an observer according to the official list of our organisation.
Our questions remain unanswered.
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Re: Moscow Peace Summit
When will this end? I think Apepistan should lower his ego and just accept the compromise.
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Re: Moscow Peace Summit
Muchos Estados Unidos wrote:When will this end? I think Apepistan should lower his ego and just accept the compromise.
To answer your question, this ends now.
The United Kingdoms of Apepistan will recall Ambassador Lord Muhtar Tenger from the summit. Our points are completely ignored over and over again, there is no further point in wasting each others time.
If another ZAR member wishes to continue, so be it.
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Re: Moscow Peace Summit
Apepistan wrote:Muchos Estados Unidos wrote:When will this end? I think Apepistan should lower his ego and just accept the compromise.
To answer your question, this ends now.
The United Kingdoms of Apepistan will recall Ambassador Lord Muhtar Tenger from the summit. Our points are completely ignored over and over again, there is no further point in wasting each others time.
If another ZAR member wishes to continue, so be it.
The United States of Scouting recalls Secretary of State, Johnathan McClure.
Re: Moscow Peace Summit
Lady Nicola will also leave the meeting because Apepistan is walking out and failed to prove that WTU is involve in any sinking of ZAR ship and it refuse to accept the proposed Declaration for Peace we accepted. Scottish Republic criticize Apepistan for this.
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SPECIAL DIALOGUE BETWEEN ARTITE & CHINA CHINA
* MOSCOW PEACE SUMMIT *
Special Dialogue between Artite & China China
Moscow, Eurussia
* * *
NOTE: This is exclusive to the leaders of Artite and China China. However, to promote further peace and understanding, other countries may send their high level envoys to act as observers who can also share their opinions. Thank you!
Eurussian Vice Chancellor
Vice Chancellor of Great Eurussia
His Excellency, Dmitry Medvedev
"Your Excellency, President Xi of China China, and Your Majesty, Emperor Constantine of Artite, I am pleased that you accepted our invitation to hold a special dialogue among our nations to spare the innocent peoples of your nations from your misunderstandings and bring closure to your distrust with each other. Welcome to the Moscow Peace Summit.
Thank you."
Re: Moscow Peace Summit
The United Kingdoms of Apepistan will send Ambassador Jeno Temud as an observer to the peace conference.
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Emperor Constantine
Emperor Constantine walked into the room followed by Lord Hugard the Lord of the Imperial Marines. Both men walked in and looked at all currently present , after seeing President Xi Lord Hugard whispered something in the Emperor's ear, speaking in Artitian. Both men laughed and quickly took their seats. They were both wearing the Imperial Marine Dress Uniform, the Emperors slightly more decorated than Lord Hugard's but both men boasted excellent military careers. Suddenly Emperor Constantine cleared his throat.
"Before I lay down The Holy Empire of Artite's terms for Mr. Xi here, I would like to know his stand on this most delicate situation, and Eurussia's stand as well. Then I will lay down my terms. Just be warned, if these talks fail it will because of the Chinese, I do not intend to disrespect the host as my brother did."
Emperor Constantine pulled out a gold cigarette case and pulled out one promptly lighting it.
"Before I lay down The Holy Empire of Artite's terms for Mr. Xi here, I would like to know his stand on this most delicate situation, and Eurussia's stand as well. Then I will lay down my terms. Just be warned, if these talks fail it will because of the Chinese, I do not intend to disrespect the host as my brother did."
Emperor Constantine pulled out a gold cigarette case and pulled out one promptly lighting it.
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Eurussian Vice Chancellor
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His Excellency, Dmitry Medvedev
"In behalf of the Eurussian Government, it is nice to meet Your Excellency and Your Majesty. But in this critical time, we should get down to business.
We would like to hear your views on these.
1) Since both your governments have always been at odds, both sides should commit in refraining from slandering each other on any public forum or medium. This to avoid diplomatic tensions.
2) Since China China's military provocations have always bee the source of armed tensions, China China should restrict its military from stirring unilateral warfares but rather on self defense initiatives thus the PLA should be named into a self defense force. In return, Artite should not declare war on China China except only on armed attack.
What are your positions on these so we could craft a draft Treaty of Peace?"
Re: Moscow Peace Summit
Constantine frowned.
"Obviously Mr. Xi you do not understand the importance of this meeting you do not simply say ok as if it is a mere speeding ticket. I do want you to know that Artite is taking this very seriously as is Eurussia along with the rest of the WA. The fate of your nation hangs on your actions and actions alone. I agree with Eurussia on the first two terms however...Artite now must make its terms before any one can agree to anything.
1)That President Xi allows for democratic elections to happen where the people and not the party decide who is going to exercise administrative power of the Chinese people.
2)President Xi renounces his corrupt ways and orders China China to step down from the Security Council otherwise a full in depth investigation will follow if he refuses and he will be forced off the security council by trial.
3)China China is not allowed to expand any longer. Any expansion of land will be seen as an act of war that is not justified and will face retaliation in the most violent ways. They are allowed to keep their lands now but are not allowed to expand unless approved by majority vote of Security Council members.
4)President Xi and his administration step down from power immediately, and that the Security Council take over control of China China for a period of two weeks until China China can be split into five different states and representatives from each Chinese State form a council that will govern China China.
5)The complete dismantling of all the nuclear weapons of China China that will be transported to WA neutral zones for proper disposal. China china is not allowed to support a nation wanting to create nuclear weapons of mass destruction. They are not allowed to build and stockpile nuclear WMDs and if they violate this it will be seen as an act of war and they face reprisals from Artite and the Security Council.
These are my terms and i agree with the two proposed by Eurussia. I am open to change to these terms, but I will not accept any unacceptable and unprofessional behavior from the Chinese. They either act respectfully and not slander me at all, and we talk like civilized human beings and compromise with one another. Like I said earlier Mr. Xi, your nation's fate lies in your hands for now. This is my first and last warning, I am being polite and cordial I expect the same in return."
Emperor Constantine glared at President Xi, hatred growing in his heart and he wanted to reach across the table and just beat Xi to death, but he was not his brother he would try and solve this issue diplomatically.
"If we are unable to come to a peace compromise perhaps an armistice can be drafted and the Arti-Sino War can come to a standstill but not an end"
"Obviously Mr. Xi you do not understand the importance of this meeting you do not simply say ok as if it is a mere speeding ticket. I do want you to know that Artite is taking this very seriously as is Eurussia along with the rest of the WA. The fate of your nation hangs on your actions and actions alone. I agree with Eurussia on the first two terms however...Artite now must make its terms before any one can agree to anything.
1)That President Xi allows for democratic elections to happen where the people and not the party decide who is going to exercise administrative power of the Chinese people.
2)President Xi renounces his corrupt ways and orders China China to step down from the Security Council otherwise a full in depth investigation will follow if he refuses and he will be forced off the security council by trial.
3)China China is not allowed to expand any longer. Any expansion of land will be seen as an act of war that is not justified and will face retaliation in the most violent ways. They are allowed to keep their lands now but are not allowed to expand unless approved by majority vote of Security Council members.
4)President Xi and his administration step down from power immediately, and that the Security Council take over control of China China for a period of two weeks until China China can be split into five different states and representatives from each Chinese State form a council that will govern China China.
5)The complete dismantling of all the nuclear weapons of China China that will be transported to WA neutral zones for proper disposal. China china is not allowed to support a nation wanting to create nuclear weapons of mass destruction. They are not allowed to build and stockpile nuclear WMDs and if they violate this it will be seen as an act of war and they face reprisals from Artite and the Security Council.
These are my terms and i agree with the two proposed by Eurussia. I am open to change to these terms, but I will not accept any unacceptable and unprofessional behavior from the Chinese. They either act respectfully and not slander me at all, and we talk like civilized human beings and compromise with one another. Like I said earlier Mr. Xi, your nation's fate lies in your hands for now. This is my first and last warning, I am being polite and cordial I expect the same in return."
Emperor Constantine glared at President Xi, hatred growing in his heart and he wanted to reach across the table and just beat Xi to death, but he was not his brother he would try and solve this issue diplomatically.
"If we are unable to come to a peace compromise perhaps an armistice can be drafted and the Arti-Sino War can come to a standstill but not an end"
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Re: Moscow Peace Summit
Scouting's Secretary of State, Jonathan McClure, quietly walked in and sat down at the table. Having just heard the commotion outside there appeared to be an awkward silence in the room.
Eurussian Vice Chancellor
Vice Chancellor of Great Eurussia
His Excellency, Dmitry Medvedev
"Thank you President Xi and Emperor Constantine for your positions and views. We believe that both Parties have their own reasonable arguments and for the sake of the speedy achievement of our objectives. We propose these new compromised terms.
1) Since both your governments have always been at odds, both sides should commit in refraining from slandering each other on any public forum or medium. This to avoid diplomatic tensions.
2) Since China China's military provocations have always been the source of armed tensions, China China should restrict its military from stirring unilateral warfares but rather on self defense initiatives thus the PLA should be named into a self defense force. In return, Artite should not declare war on China China except only on armed attack.
3) Since President Xi did not made any opposition on this we believe that it is acceptable for the Chinese to commit the People's Republic of China China to conduct democratic elections for its people on a regular basis in accordance to the rule of law.
4) Since we cannot force China China to relinquish its membership to the Security Council, we seek China China's commitment not to use the Security Council anymore in anyway to advance its interests we deem politically motivated. In return, Artite should also commit to respect China China's membership to the Security Council.
5) China China and Artite commits themselves not to pursue any further territorial expansions or colonial possessions unless otherwise approved by the Security Council.
6) China China upholds its commitment under its Peace Treaty with Xolox not to pursue any further nuclear programs militarily. In return, Artite commits to exercise the same.
We wish to know your views on these new compromised proposal."
Eurussian Vice Chancellor
Vice Chancellor of Great Eurussia
His Excellency, Dmitry Medvedev
"What proposal number three aims is to ensure for a fair democratic society for China China and the Communist Party is welcome to participate on that democratic exercise. If you do good to your people, there is nothing to worry for not winning over elections.
We hope to hear the side of Emperor Constantine on the position of President Xi."
Re: Moscow Peace Summit
china China is currently under investigation of supporting a Korreaan nuclear weapons program. They should not have any nuclear weapons. If I believe so this is in part of the treaty between Xolox and China China, and I will not accept the treaty until President Xi steps down from his position on the Security Council. This is my terms, the dismantling of what ever WMDs China China has hidden away some where, and that they step down from the Security Council. And this talk that the Communist Party always wins the elections means that the elections are rigged. You get to vote yes, but it is all the same party. If a vote is going to happen then it should be monitored by Great Eurussia and the Security Council excluding D.P.R.K and China china. This is to ensure that the citizens get to vote how they want to vote with out fear of reprisals form the government. My terms are easy and simple. President Xi can just accept them or he can prolong this summit. I have plenty of time.
I would think long and hard on this President Xi, you are in no position to say no right now. Tensions are hard and your worst nightmare ten fold is just a phone call away.
I would think long and hard on this President Xi, you are in no position to say no right now. Tensions are hard and your worst nightmare ten fold is just a phone call away.
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